That's a good way of putting it. And that's exactly how I see it.
I would love to own a JBL 43/6300 series system and then spend the required funds on the room they would go in!
Great systems for mixing and mastering audio.
If price was no object for studio monitors placed in a properly treated and designed room, those monitors would actually be the moderately priced offerings out there....all things considered.
The HiFi audiophile world enjoys spending hundreds of thousands of dollars for speakers and fussing over wire though. Which is a different end of the same stick.
Each to there own....one is for creating audio and the other is for listening to that created audio.
Bi-amp, Tri-amp systems with electronic crossovers, time alignment delays etc. have been around for a long time. They were pretty expensive back in the day and required an entire rack of equipment. The application was pretty specialized.
Nowadays with leading edge digital technology (DSP) we can do it more accurately, with a smaller footprint and lower costs. Not to mention room correction software which will continue to get better and better.
I would love to own a JBL 43/6300 series system and then spend the required funds on the room they would go in!
Great systems for mixing and mastering audio.
If price was no object for studio monitors placed in a properly treated and designed room, those monitors would actually be the moderately priced offerings out there....all things considered.
The HiFi audiophile world enjoys spending hundreds of thousands of dollars for speakers and fussing over wire though. Which is a different end of the same stick.
Each to there own....one is for creating audio and the other is for listening to that created audio.
Bi-amp, Tri-amp systems with electronic crossovers, time alignment delays etc. have been around for a long time. They were pretty expensive back in the day and required an entire rack of equipment. The application was pretty specialized.
Nowadays with leading edge digital technology (DSP) we can do it more accurately, with a smaller footprint and lower costs. Not to mention room correction software which will continue to get better and better.
OK
However I would like to know how a few $ or £ spent on booze overcomes all these tweeks..and then you just dont care what it sounds like?
And you could measure the result but you can't see the readout...and the room seems to
then you feel and then
but still you don't care
Its got to be the way forward
If you were to use a polypropylene cup for the booze it would sound even better,
Regards
M. Gregg
However I would like to know how a few $ or £ spent on booze overcomes all these tweeks..and then you just dont care what it sounds like?
And you could measure the result but you can't see the readout...and the room seems to
then you feel and then but still you don't careIts got to be the way forward
If you were to use a polypropylene cup for the booze it would sound even better,
Regards
M. Gregg
Can you describe precisely why this "correctly treated room" is required? If you don't, what audio "monster" bites you ...?
Frank
If you don't understand the reason behind having a "flat" response room with a "flat" response monitor then you have no reference or baseline to rely upon. It's really quite simple and a known factor. That's where the "precise" part comes into play....without those two factors tested and accurate in the listening space...anything you "hear" can be a lie to your ears.
If the room creates a bump at 250hz because of additive reflections then how will you EQ or balance that sound accurately? How can you trust the sound you're actually hearing?
In that scenario unknown to you it sounds good (enough low-mid) at least that's what your ears are telling you....but in reality it's not. Your room lied to you and made it sound like there is good balance at that frequency. Any compensation you make or don't make to the recording to balance that will also be wrong.
Speakers by themselves are only one part of the equation. The two parts have to work in conjunction with each other to be of any "real" trustworthy use....if that's what your looking for. Lots of money is spent trying to "true" up a room to a given monitor.
Having a speaker that is capable of reproducing all frequencies correctly in a room that isn't capable of dispersing that "flat" response correctly will always give you biased information which will cause poor translation of the sound to the end listener. You just can't trust one part by itself.
Of course for the average HiFi listening group this may not matter or they may not be able to accomplish a precise listening environment so for them it doesn't really matter. It is what it is. Any type of speaker system you place in position in your untreated room will affect the sound you hear differently.
Most HiFi speakers boost the high end and mid bands because that's where our ears are most sensitive. But that isn't any sort of solid test or conclusion for the sound or the listener. They have no reference to base their experience on. It's all relative. In the end it becomes personal preference. For someone who has to "translate" a mix or master a recording for distribution to the listening public it's absolutely imperative.
Hope that helps...
Thanks for that detailed response!
I understand the value of what you've described to the mastering process ... but I still don't see why that should diminish the value of a studio monitor for use in a consumer environment. If they have a nominally flat response then surely that it is an aid for getting reasonably correct sound in the home, as far as FR is concerned. You say that the typical HiFi listener is not fussed about such fine details, so where's the problem for them? Pro monitors are normally excellent value for money, in terms of their capabilities, so apart from their exceedingly dull appearance, what's the issue?
Frank
Because there's no point in buying expensive studio monitors if they are not being used in a room designed to correctly utilize their capabilities!
What good is an accurately "flat" monitor in an inaccurate acoustic space?
Your not using the design of the speaker! Why bother?
There are thousands of excellent monitors out there but only one correct room they will sound accurate in!
What good is an accurately "flat" monitor in an inaccurate acoustic space?
Your not using the design of the speaker! Why bother?
There are thousands of excellent monitors out there but only one correct room they will sound accurate in!
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