hahaha, but how many audiophiles have become skeptical about the science after listening to those scientifically correct Bose invention?
I guess it depends on the product. A lot of their stuff uses psychoacoustic trickery, so it sounds artificial to people who have access to the real thing. But I pay attention to anything they put out. I learned more from Bose than from any other manufacturer.
Their noise canceling headphones are the the best of the best.
I guess it depends on the product. A lot of their stuff uses psychoacoustic trickery, so it sounds artificial to people who have access to the real thing. But I pay attention to anything they put out. I learned more from Bose than from any other manufacturer.
Their noise canceling headphones are the the best of the best.
Agreed. Their headphones are surprising. I'm sure they make good sounding stuffs for the sane customers. "psychoacoustic research" and "marketing research" are probably close cousins or synonyms.
I personally dislike their sound (forced, distorted and not realistic at all), but i more dislike those owners who think their bose system is the ultimate top hifi system of the world and if you don't agree you don't know nothing about speakers. And there are sadly enough many of those arround where i live...
But if you love it, and can agree to disagree with other opinions and i don't have to listen too much to it, i don't care about it.
And i have the same with some other brands and systems. I have a very specific preference in audio, and that may be different than yours, and many, even on this forum can't deal with that and start cussing me for that. But my opinion is just like yours a big part subjective so ...
But if you love it, and can agree to disagree with other opinions and i don't have to listen too much to it, i don't care about it.
And i have the same with some other brands and systems. I have a very specific preference in audio, and that may be different than yours, and many, even on this forum can't deal with that and start cussing me for that. But my opinion is just like yours a big part subjective so ...
As someone said to me, and having realized myself.... everything is flawed. So use what you enjoy. (mentally, physically.. emotionally).
If data fits that narrative, great. If kitschy brand status does it... great If some derivative of two does it... great. It's all about you. Your enjoyment is not dependent on what someone else enjoys. Rest easy. We don't have to tear down the other to make valid our own.
I also heard another statement not too long ago (whether I accept or not, but I do) that said something to the effect... Everyone cuts their own deal. The context is irrelevant, frankly. And thusly, we are 2 cents richer!
If data fits that narrative, great. If kitschy brand status does it... great If some derivative of two does it... great. It's all about you. Your enjoyment is not dependent on what someone else enjoys. Rest easy. We don't have to tear down the other to make valid our own.
I also heard another statement not too long ago (whether I accept or not, but I do) that said something to the effect... Everyone cuts their own deal. The context is irrelevant, frankly. And thusly, we are 2 cents richer!
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With audio stuff, it often seems like there's an elephant in the room.... this perpetual inadequacy that someone else is doing better than you. Better equipment, more DIY time, longer tenure, engineering chops.
I think the reality is.... we all heard a sound. If the fidelity of that sound is sooooo dependent upon your endeavor of extremely esoteric equipment... great! ...but let's also recognize this as a possible personality disorder. Parts hoarding? Amp-itis? Was it about what you were hearing, or about something else? Anyone?
I think the reality is.... we all heard a sound. If the fidelity of that sound is sooooo dependent upon your endeavor of extremely esoteric equipment... great! ...but let's also recognize this as a possible personality disorder. Parts hoarding? Amp-itis? Was it about what you were hearing, or about something else? Anyone?
"Generally good enough" isn't really the standard we're looking to meet as DIYers.
Bose represents a wall mart entry level availability for background listening for the short attention spanned individual incapable of listening critically.
Their target audience
Since the masses are *****, they found their ability to grease and expand this segment.
What do want to bet their Top tier money men (and woman sorry) dont have Bose in their personal high end listening rooms but only in their kitchens preparing for another day
at the office- and - board meetings on how to increase this years profits..
A boring bunch of products I would never even consider unless I was in a hurry to put some in my bathroom remodel and could get them quickly.
Since I do my best thinking while on the Toilet ??
Their target audience
Since the masses are *****, they found their ability to grease and expand this segment.
What do want to bet their Top tier money men (and woman sorry) dont have Bose in their personal high end listening rooms but only in their kitchens preparing for another day
at the office- and - board meetings on how to increase this years profits..
A boring bunch of products I would never even consider unless I was in a hurry to put some in my bathroom remodel and could get them quickly.
Since I do my best thinking while on the Toilet ??
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So, you have this "friend" right? And he's a Bose fan and he let you borrow his 901's to measure, right?
hahaha, but how many audiophiles have become skeptical about the science after listening to those scientifically correct Bose invention?
The so-called "scientifically correct" you mention is merely a form of catering to the public's ears.
People like punchy bass, impressive highs.... not "accuracy".
It's nothing new of course - those booming 1960's stereo consoles found a lot of love.
Reviews, LOL.... published charts, endless "rave reviews" by "virtual" people and "compensated" professional reviewers all amount to nothing more than marketing hype in order to sell a product.
The typical human reads some online ad or website, and is led to believe what they've read.
The old "don't believe everything you see on the internet" comes into play here.
Bose products ARE based on solid scientific research. A quick search at the AES website reveals this.
Amar Bose was a highly regarded professor and teacher at the MIT school of engineering and students spoke very highly of him. See his Wikipedia entry.
I'll give one example of how Bose incorporates solid scientific research into their products:
Most people don't want big speakers, that dominate the room, in fact most people don't want to see speakers at all. But they still want to hear music with the impression of bass.
To accomplish this you need the solid scientific research. The missing fundamental with added non linear distortion allows for very small speakers that give the impression of much larger speakers.
It isn't neutral sound, but it's certainly based on solid science.
P.s. I have never owned a Bose product in my life.
those of course were my Bose 901 (Did Julian Hirsch test that system? ) at least the old 901 had cloth surround speakers. With music of sufficient quality, a 901 might be better than crappy music on a really decent set,
IMO a truly great speaker system and transducer designer would have been Henry Kloss in his KLH & Advent periods.
(Did Julian Hirsch test that system? ) at least the old 901 had cloth surround speakers. With music of sufficient quality, a 901 might be better than crappy music on a really decent set,IMO a truly great speaker system and transducer designer would have been Henry Kloss in his KLH & Advent periods.
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