Funniest snake oil theories

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Where's the Bybee fans reply?

I am not a Bybee fan at all, but I think Scott tested it to see if it worked according to the advertising claims, at a distance or with very loose coupling to active audio signal path circuitry.

JC, on the other hand, seems to advocate using them differently, much more closely coupled to active circuitry, and maybe a few of them at once. That's the impression I'm getting anyway.

Also, the advertising claims dramatic results, but JC has described them as subtle and sometimes even detrimental to SQ.

Whether or not they ever do anything, I don't know. No way I am going to buy one to try it.
 
Thanks. Did you/could you please take photos and perhaps we can work out what he thinks he is doing.

Dan.

You really don't know what you are doing, do you?

"Of those who do have personal experience of QP's the opinions differ, from system stellar change through to nothing noticeable.
I have a pair, and they do most certainly change systems ime."

You, 3rd Jan 2015 in this very thread.
 
That will have to wait till I'm back home but frankly he thinks that he is taking your money for nothing plain and simple.

Did you check to see if it affects the Heisenburg compensators in the Trans-warp Coils?
It's possible he was listening to a Dire Straits song, and was inspired.

Max Headroom, I did listen with and without the ferrite clamps, and couldn't hear an audible difference.
But then, I've sold most of my expensive library of capacitors, and now use much less expensive old stock Vishay caps in my crossovers, as the 1848s sound fine to me.
Subjective reviews on them state they aren't as good as the voguing caps, but I haven't noticed anything missing. Not surprising at my age, past 50.
 
"Of those who do have personal experience of QP's the opinions differ, from system stellar change through to nothing noticeable. I have a pair, and they do most certainly change systems ime."

You, 3rd Jan 2015 in this very thread.
You really don't know what you are doing, do you?
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I could not find any post with that date.
AFAIK the device that Scott and I are presently discussing was not available at that that time.
Please check your facts and give reference, or please apologise for your personal attack which is against the forum rules if I am not mistaken, certainly it is not in the spirit of friendly fruitful discussion.

Dan.
 
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Max Headroom, I did listen with and without the ferrite clamps, and couldn't hear an audible difference.
Thanks for trying the experiment.
But then, I've sold most of my expensive library of capacitors, and now use much less expensive old stock Vishay caps in my crossovers, as the 1848s sound fine to me.
The four wire versions look usefully interesting, thanks.
Subjective reviews on them state they aren't as good as the voguing caps, but I haven't noticed anything missing. Not surprising at my age, past 50.
I'm past 50 also :cool:.
There are different filter ferrite formulations and I have not tried them all.
In my experience with the ferrite formulations I have, these filters work as advertised and do remove a layer of 'grunge', HOWEVER they also impart a subtle hardness/sharpness (false 'clarity') that does not belong, and is to me strongly fatiguing.
Perhaps another closer listen now that you know what to listen out for ?.

Dan.
 
Thanks for trying the experiment.

The four wire versions look usefully interesting, thanks.

I'm past 50 also :cool:.
There are different filter ferrite formulations and I have not tried them all.
In my experience with the ferrite formulations I have, these filters work as advertised and do remove a layer of 'grunge', HOWEVER they also impart a subtle hardness/sharpness (false 'clarity') that does not belong, and is to me strongly fatiguing.
Perhaps another closer listen now that you know what to listen out for ?.

Dan.

Those sort of colorations are burnished out for the most part in my system. Full rangers passively crossed at 150 hertz to dual Celestion 15"ers, 300B set amp.
I've found Markaudio paper drivers excellent at delivering satisfying treble, without hifi zingers.
Possibly they don't deliver the true original signal, but extrapolate it with resonances; they get me where I want to hear. One of just a handful of speakers I've enjoyed, where I can't hear the crossover point.
 
So who is making and selling what, and who is deliberately lying ?.

Dan.

I suggest you read this thread from post #1. Those who manufacture and sell snake oil products and lie about them have been pointed out here repeatedly. Some of them even endanger consumers (eg replacing safety ground with a box of sand). The whole point of this thread is to point out hilarious BS claims by certain vendors, claims which are not only improbable, not only impossible, but can only be the product of profound ignorance or deliberate deceit. In some case even the most egregious ignorance cannot account for the claims, deliberate deceit seems to be the only possible explanation. Anything from Synergistic Research for example.
 
Max, Scott failed to note any 'coating' on the foil that should have been the key ingredient. The rest is just a shell or a catalyst (the metal foil and the lithium battery)

More importantly he tested the manufacturer's claims and was unable to verify them. I believe the manufacturer claimed that you could put one of these devices under your TV and see an improved picture, among many other unsubstantiated claims. I think that was what Scott tested, and he perceived absolutely no difference. I know you trust your ears, do you also trust your eyes?
 
More importantly he tested the manufacturer's claims and was unable to verify them. I believe the manufacturer claimed that you could put one of these devices under your TV and see an improved picture, among many other unsubstantiated claims. I think that was what Scott tested, and he perceived absolutely no difference. I know you trust your ears, do you also trust your eyes?
I understand that Scott runs Met-7 loudspeakers with I don't know what amp/source.
These speakers are lets face it pretty similar to the likes of Bose 301/Studiocraft and a myriad of oldschool 3in1 speakers.
The above are fun loudspeakers but not particularly extended in bass or highs, and not particularly resolving.

I also note that Scott posts Youtube references to 'industrial' music which is plain full on (in your face/over the top) distortion and noise to my ears.
Extended/repeated listening to this kind of music will precondition the ear/brain and render one insensitive to low level noise and distortion subtleties.

Scott is undoubtedly correct in that there is no difference for him, but is it a proper and conclusive experiment ?.....I think not.

Don't mistake this as support/endorsement for this Bybee product, it is not.
I have also given my subjective opinion of BQP and that was a negative from me.

Dan.

Scott, please do not be offended by my references to you in the third person.
 
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Max, but you are used to listening to some pretty mediocre stuff yourself, judging from your posts. Car radio's and Aldi receivers is what I remember. So why should this be a problem now?

But I love your thesis that listening to distorted and noisy music renders you partially deaf, although it is not quite new. It's what my mother told me when I put on Van der Graaf Generator or similar stuff.
 
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The above are fun loudspeakers but not particularly extended in bass or highs, and not particularly resolving.

Yeah that's the usual one trotted out (your system isn't good enough), but given you extoll the virtues of gloop on cheap headphones being instantly recognisable by the woman from the wholefood shop you do appear to be hedging bets here.
 
Yeah that's the usual one trotted out (your system isn't good enough)...
That'll be item 17 :)
Typical characteristics of snake oil products...

1) Huge price mark-up, like price 100x material cost
2) Hijacking of a topical scientific principle, but the claims contain scientific blunders and lack of understanding of those principles and science in general.
3) No credible, controlled trial to show efficacy.
4) One person company, absence of credentials or exaggerated/fake credentials.
5) Strip-down of product reveals ordinary components that have been obscured.
6) Glowing testimonials from ' professionals ' with prefixes such as Dr or Professor added to their names , upon closer inspection it turns out that the Dr is a hypnotist and the Professor a school janitor.
7) Advertising on and being revieved by 6moons. (and other sites)
8) "Quantum" or "Magic" in their product name
9) Claiming "years of research".
10) Claiming Military sales (eg: secrecy and gravitas)
11) Patented or proprietary (more secrecy)
12) "As seen on TV" or YouTube "proof" demonstrations
13) Used by NASA
14) Comes with supporting white papers, 'explaining' how it works
15) Claiming hundreds if not thousands of hours break-in for a passive product. Yet it claims an immediate effect on sound.
16) The change in sound you are supposed to experience with snake oil products are explained in the product
lecture..
17) The effect is best heard by trained listeners in systems with fine discrimination.
18) Claims that are non-falsifiable (you cannot design a test to disprove them)
19) Live demo with salesman who makes the product setup into a prolonged, involved ritual and tells you exactly what clear improvements a discerning audiophile will hear (I am sure Sir is discerning).
 
Max, Scott failed to note any 'coating' on the foil that should have been the key ingredient. The rest is just a shell or a catalyst (the metal foil and the lithium battery)
You haven't explained how you did a controlled experiment to ensure your judgment wasn't off with the fairies somewhere.
I still think you are having a laugh.
The audio industry is so bizarre sometimes.
 
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