Exactly........
A musician might go to great lengths to ensure a recording gives you an extremely accurate portrayal of the performance they have given in a venue with unique acoustic properties that enhances the sound of their music, which then gets completely snuffed out by listening in mono! It’s a bit like looking at art with filters to remove colour.
A musician might go to great lengths to ensure a recording gives you an extremely accurate portrayal of the performance they have given in a venue with unique acoustic properties that enhances the sound of their music, which then gets completely snuffed out by listening in mono! It’s a bit like looking at art with filters to remove colour.
For those being skeptic about some of us that like downmix stereo signal listening to mono speaker please have a look this thread (Fixing the Stereo Phantom Center) for a lot of native inherent problems no matter if one think stereo is great or not. Also its probably not for fun center speaker and 5.1/7.1 systems were invented plus there is research all over world and universities where they sometimes seems use up to hundreds of speaker to improve on acoustic performance for indoor use.
Think not this is the right thread to discuss this subject but thought because of critics that one could post a short note about some of the trouble above link look into. Real stereo system is supposed to be setup as true balanced stereo acoustic triangle with exactly same response from left verse right speaker and how many have that right from the start, also because think its not the most easy or interesting stuff to do in real world. Below show the big error we get for stereo when same material is fifty/fifty (panned) to left and right speaker, black is our 20Hz-20kHz band-pass signal sent to left and right speaker and blue (+6dB) is what we would have liked to see when summing 2 times black curve but sadly distance to our two ears from the same signal coming from left and right side is not the same so we won't get the nice blue one. Red curve is the comb looking error we get using a 0,28mS delay to simulate head related erros. Have no problem myself that most really enjoy their stereo system setup whether its technical tuned by the book or not, but think below show that a stereo feeded mono system can probably be alright too.
Think not this is the right thread to discuss this subject but thought because of critics that one could post a short note about some of the trouble above link look into. Real stereo system is supposed to be setup as true balanced stereo acoustic triangle with exactly same response from left verse right speaker and how many have that right from the start, also because think its not the most easy or interesting stuff to do in real world. Below show the big error we get for stereo when same material is fifty/fifty (panned) to left and right speaker, black is our 20Hz-20kHz band-pass signal sent to left and right speaker and blue (+6dB) is what we would have liked to see when summing 2 times black curve but sadly distance to our two ears from the same signal coming from left and right side is not the same so we won't get the nice blue one. Red curve is the comb looking error we get using a 0,28mS delay to simulate head related erros. Have no problem myself that most really enjoy their stereo system setup whether its technical tuned by the book or not, but think below show that a stereo feeded mono system can probably be alright too.
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Well I guess if some are feeling the 'phantom centre channel' between left and right channels of their stereo sound is a little dull then I suggest they cup their ears or make some head wear like 'mickey mouse ears' to enhance the loss. There you go...... a new audiophile creation, you'll make billions.
C.M
Edit: You could also listen open baffle as I do, I have no problem with the phantom centre channel, it is positively there.
C.M
Edit: You could also listen open baffle as I do, I have no problem with the phantom centre channel, it is positively there.
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And no doubt that open baffle sounds pretty dynamic, as you will get some energy arriving after the main wave front at the listening spot to fill in the Stereo cross talk errors. 
For Mark100, the Fixing the Stereo Phantom Centre thread may give you some inspiration of things to try to improve your Stereo listening pleasure.
I can understand where you come from, however in my humble opinion there are ways around this. My preference is Stereo, with some tricks.
For Mark100, the Fixing the Stereo Phantom Centre thread may give you some inspiration of things to try to improve your Stereo listening pleasure.
I can understand where you come from, however in my humble opinion there are ways around this. My preference is Stereo, with some tricks.
Never heard a better acoustic speaker system and it was real stereo sound even one can get to misunderstand the previous bad joke about single sources, another bad joke to you wesayso is I'm close to get those mickey mouse ears talked about above because still wear these lousy stereo head phones we emailed about yesterday
The trouble with these sorts of topics is that some members will express a subjective preference. A subjective preference by definition cannot be wrong.
And then in come crashing the know-alls, (who unfortunately do not know enough to know what a subjective preference is) to tell everyone that they are wrong.
So end of possibly an interesting, discussion of a minority view.
And then in come crashing the know-alls, (who unfortunately do not know enough to know what a subjective preference is) to tell everyone that they are wrong.
So end of possibly an interesting, discussion of a minority view.
BYRTT is an avid fan of mono, personally I do not think the theory he shared is a red herring. If you're willing to work on it you could hear it for yourself. Just not as easy with your current open baffle setup.
I expressed my subjective preference for Stereo with tricks. Tricks based on the comb theory. I guess I killed a good thread with it?
I expressed my subjective preference for Stereo with tricks. Tricks based on the comb theory. I guess I killed a good thread with it?
Avoidance of early reflections would be enough to be able to notice this phenomenon. Directional speakers could help one to get there.
After first correcting my speakers with FIR filters, absorbing most of the early reflections trough strategically placed damping panels I noticed the same thing. Which made me look past this problem to find the "why".
I believe the single speaker would do better than two speakers playing mono. The phantom part is mono played trough 2 speakers. Less than ideal.
After first correcting my speakers with FIR filters, absorbing most of the early reflections trough strategically placed damping panels I noticed the same thing. Which made me look past this problem to find the "why".
I believe the single speaker would do better than two speakers playing mono. The phantom part is mono played trough 2 speakers. Less than ideal.
Maybe because you are a musician and used to hearing what would predominantly be a mono sound when playing your violin?
Makes sense, no combing with one speaker (if it exists
Toole seems to think not if I understand him correctly)
This is what I was thinking of:
Comb fi ltering, repetition pitch: Colorations can be created
when a sound is added to a delayed version of itself. When the
result is measured, we see a repeating pattern of peaks and dips
in the frequency response, which is why it is called “comb”
fi ltering. In some circumstances a pitch can be perceived that is
associated with a frequency defi ned by the inverse of the delay.
The effect is audibly obvious if it occurs in an electronic signal
path or if there is a single, strong vertical (median plane)
refl ection in an otherwise echo-free environment. However, for
refl ections that arrive from large horizontal angles and in
normally refl ective spaces where there are multiple refl ections,
the effect ceases to be a problem.
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