If you can define it then it can be quantified.Is auditory gestalten quantifiable?
The far field and the near field are two different worlds.
and listeners in 99% listening rooms are in the far field
jbl cmcd-82h on one of their PD horns
Anyone come up with a lower distortion device yet? I didn't see it.
Anyone come up with a lower distortion device yet? I didn't see it.
Where's your measurements? When I measured mine they were good but not great, maybe -35db - I no longer have them or the file but am curious to see what you came up with
and listeners in 99% listening rooms are in the far field
I would add a little ponderation coefficient with headphones listeners, studio monitor users and car audio, it should be well above 0.5 IMHO.
I would add a little ponderation coefficient with headphones listeners, studio monitor users and car audio, it should be well above 0.5 IMHO.
it should be well under 0.5
When I play music at home as background it is far field but whenever I seriously listen it is always nearfield.
How do You understand nearfield?
Charles
Those definitions are all correct, but I think that they are being misused. You probably mean that you are in the direct field, not the near field. One (near) varies with frequency and the other is substantially independent of frequency. They both overlap over some frequency range and so in this range it is ambiguous, but the near field is usually not very flat even if the direct field or far field is. To be in the near field of a speaker at HFs you would have to be just a few inches away. Headphones are virtually always near field listening, but loudspeakers are virtually never near field.
Those definitions are all correct, but I think that they are being misused. You probably mean that you are in the direct field, not the near field. One (near) varies with frequency and the other is substantially independent of frequency. They both overlap over some frequency range and so in this range it is ambiguous, but the near field is usually not very flat even if the direct field or far field is. To be in the near field of a speaker at HFs you would have to be just a few inches away. Headphones are virtually always near field listening, but loudspeakers are virtually never near field.
Charles
Those definitions are all correct, but I think that they are being misused. You probably mean that you are in the direct field, not the near field. One (near) varies with frequency and the other is substantially independent of frequency. They both overlap over some frequency range and so in this range it is ambiguous, but the near field is usually not very flat even if the direct field or far field is. To be in the near field of a speaker at HFs you would have to be just a few inches away. Headphones are virtually always near field listening, but loudspeakers are virtually never near field.
Fair enough.
I used the way it is used in recording studios as that is my audio background.
Direct field it is then from now on!
Going to struggle when talking about audio to mates outside this forum. ;-)
Usually the distance between me and either speaker is less than the distance from each speaker to the other.
It is rooted in psychology so I can't define it, and from what I can gather is largely shaped by the individual's experience, that it governs perception is without doubtIf you can define it then it can be quantified.
Fair enough.
I used the way it is used in recording studios as that is my audio background.
Direct field it is then from now on!
Going to struggle when talking about audio to mates outside this forum. ;-)
Usually the distance between me and either speaker is less than the distance from each speaker to the other.
It is stange... to be surrounded by people that have some high level abilities in mathematics that seems to ignore the euclidian geometry and especially pythagore.
I've seen ultra high-end (and ultra expensive) fantastic loudspeaker users that forget to toe-in their narrow dispersion horns at a relatively short listening distance.
I really don't know what to think about them.
It is stange... to be surrounded by people that have some high level abilities in mathematics that seems to ignore the euclidian geometry and especially pythagore.
I've seen ultra high-end (and ultra expensive) fantastic loudspeaker users that forget to toe-in their narrow dispersion horns at a relatively short listening distance.
I really don't know what to think about them.
Not sure what that has to do with me.
Would explain that so I can understand how your post relates to my quote?
Not sure what that has to do with me.
Would explain that so I can understand how your post relates to my quote?
sorry, it is a mistake.
"Early reflections that reach the listener within 50 ms integrate with the direct sound and can improve speech clarity"
that's what Dave Moulton says - "My design philosophy for studios is: let's have a perfectly reflective space for 50 milliseconds and then let's have no reflections or reverb after that"
What's the critical distance in Your room?
"Early reflections that reach the listener within 50 ms integrate with the direct sound and can improve speech clarity"
that's what Dave Moulton says - "My design philosophy for studios is: let's have a perfectly reflective space for 50 milliseconds and then let's have no reflections or reverb after that"
Funny, that's the exact opposite of what I would do!
Funny, that's the exact opposite of what I would do!
Marco, my turn to agree with you..... 100 % !!
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