John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part II

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Richard and I agree that you guys don't deserve to be given our BEST IDEAS
that have not been already released by us over the past decades.

Not religious, but this seems appropriate here.
"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."
 
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Another DAC that sounds a little different than DAC-1 and nice sounding to me is the one in the Cranesong HEDD. However, like DACMagic Plus it doesn't sound quite as accurate and detailed as the DAC-1.

That doesn't mean DAC-1 doesn't have a sound of it's own. I kind of think it does, and I don't think it's completely transparent.

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Get a Benchmark DAC-2. It is better than DAC-1 in several ways... test and listening-wise (yes, it is more transparent). .

[don't say it is too expensive... use a credit card...]

You will be a happy camper for a very long time IMO.




-RNM
 
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Richard and I agree that you guys don't deserve to be given our BEST IDEAS that have not been already released by us over the past decades. I'm still getting people here to appreciate circuit ideas that I developed over 40 years ago! That is why people can tease me about talking about the past so much. You guys still haven't caught up to what I was doing 40 years ago when it comes to analog design. Besides, I get PAID for my most advanced designs, as that is how I make my living.

Ok, I will live.

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We'll continue staring at the ground and drooling.
 
NEW ideas have to be hidden, least they be taken over as someone else's idea, as has happened to me over the decades. It is EXTREMELY frustrating to make friends with a fellow engineer and give them new ideas, and have them either try to patent it, or if they can't, then laugh at your patent on the same new idea that you gave them. After that, you can't even be colleagues.
Now this is not new. For example, if you go though the oral history given by Black about the development of negative feedback, you will find that he did the same thing, to protect himself against Bode and others, to keep them from taking credit back in the 1930's.
It is always the same:
1. The new idea won't work.
2. The new idea works but it is not important.
3. We invented the idea. (and we might write a book about it) '-)
 
You can be so myopic sometimes

Sorry Dick I over reacted. I thought I was clear this is not a mis-termination but an impedance discontinuity (and a very small one at that). The electrical length of the connector is 40 psec or so and as far as I can find out the rise time for SPDIF is 20 nsec at best or about 2mV in 40 psec. I can't see this being observable considering some of the internal wiring I have seen.
 

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I actually did a test to look at ringing in a HF loudspeaker line. I used a one hertz square wave through a 10 uF capacitor and loaded with a 5 ohm resistor as the source. Feeding a JBL 2413 compression driver through 100 meters of cable.

There was ringing at the compression driver end. It was about 10 dB down from the peak and was about 9 rings before fading into the noise. Frequency about 400,000 hertz. Placing a zobel network to maintain constant 8. Ohm impedance at the driver ave a few dB of attenuation but it still rang.

One suggestion has been to add a low pass filter that will raise the load impedance to match the driving line.

So those of you using long cables with hearing to 400,000 hertz have a problem.

No sign of the ringing on the send end. (Whith the high source impedance.)

Wire used was West Penn Wire 25225 12 gauge 200+ stand count twisted paid with a plenum insulation.

At home not able to post the image.
Why did you think an 8 ohm zobel would stop the ringing on that line?
It can't.
Jn
 
Why did you think an 8 ohm zobel would stop the ringing on that line?
It can't.
Jn

The zobel is there to flatten the frequency response due to load impedance variations in the audio band. Other folks estimate the line impedance and do equalization to correct that.

But I prefer using passive zobels at the load, less for others to screw up.

So for display purposes but methods were shown.
 
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Sorry Dick I over reacted. I thought I was clear this is not a mis-termination but an impedance discontinuity (and a very small one at that). The electrical length of the connector is 40 psec or so and as far as I can find out the rise time for SPDIF is 20 nsec at best or about 2mV in 40 psec. I can't see this being observable considering some of the internal wiring I have seen.

yikes... that pic is scary wiring for HF/RF data pulses.........

extra unnecessary comment for some others is this....... discontinuity causes Z change and reflection etc etc. If, coming directly off the IC, the Tr would be much faster than 20nS. Depending on the magnitude of the Z change at the discontinuity and its reflected polarity... again, etc .... data error possibility is high. BUT, if you use a BW limited pulse transformer between O/I then the Tr is slower and more 'controlled'.... small discontinuities are less probmatic.

The Tr is around 20nS with transformers designed for audio digital. http://media.digikey.com/pdf/data sheets/pulse pdfs/pe-65x12_rev2006.pdf

But be sure jitter doesn't increase after you add transformers on your favorite gear.

and best practice would be coaxial 360 degree connection on connectors and not have pig-tails on such signal lines.

Never use pigtails on cable shields | EDN



THx-RNMarsh
 
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