MOSFET Source Follower Headamp

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I really need an amp measurement rig. Like Hugh says, the models are very useful for setting the DC points for operation. I am able to set the bias values fairly close to where I want them. I have to say that my ears agree with the euphonic harmonic profile that is predicted. This is one of the nicest sounds I have heard on headphones and more folks should try two transistor SE amp topology for headphones. Wonderful sounding.
 
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Funny that was exactly the top pick I have with my own research. I had one final concern since it is self powered via 5v from USB Bi's that might cause noise issues. But you show nice -130dB noise floor. Looks perfect. This was exactly the info I was looking for. Thanks!

This was the confirmation that I needed that this unit could work. It's on sale with XLR cable and free shipping for $99 presently so a good deal.
 
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As built circuit with 47uF output cap, 1uF input cap, assumed 16v rail for 9vx2 Li-ion batteries. THD is now predicted to be 0.0065% at full output of 1.4 v p-p.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/head...lass-headamp-without-heat-16.html#post4949133

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Oh, and before someone flames me for "this is predicated on a possibly bad model of the actives..." the model is from the manufacturer and has been revised once (2007) - so may be better than just a first guess from the company. Also, I have ordered a decent sound card and will measure the performance into a 270R resistive load and we will see how close we get.
 
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I really need an amp measurement rig. Like Hugh says, the models are very useful for setting the DC points for operation. I am able to set the bias values fairly close to where I want them. I have to say that my ears agree with the euphonic harmonic profile that is predicted. This is one of the nicest sounds I have heard on headphones and more folks should try two transistor SE amp topology for headphones. Wonderful sounding.

Hi X, when I was having fun with small tube amp, anatech recommended RightMark audio analyzer, a freeware. It worked great for me. You can see some screen pics here (I did not use high quality sound card, just laptop input).

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/tubes-valves/287665-6eu7-6bq5-feedback-question-6.html

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As built circuit with 47uF output cap, 1uF input cap, assumed 16v rail for 9vx2 Li-ion batteries. THD is now predicted to be 0.0065% at full output of 1.4 v p-p.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/head...lass-headamp-without-heat-16.html#post4949133

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591722d1484231314-bf862-based-se-class-headamp-without-heat-pocket-class-bf862-zvn5306-ha-v1-16v-fft.png


591723d1484231563-bf862-based-se-class-headamp-without-heat-pocket-class-bf862-zvn5306-ha-v1-16v-1k-sine.png


Oh, and before someone flames me for "this is predicated on a possibly bad model of the actives..." the model is from the manufacturer and has been revised once (2007) - so may be better than just a first guess from the company. Also, I have ordered a decent sound card and will measure the performance into a 270R resistive load and we will see how close we get.

I tried using RMAA software with my cheap Behringer UCA202 and here is the loopback self HD FFT - not too bad with -110dB noise floor and a couple of peaks at H2 and H3 with 15dB height. These 15dB peak values will have to be subtracted from an amp measurement:

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Here is the Pocket Class A BF862/ZVN4306 amp as measured using the UCA202 as the interface - with 270R load equivalent to headphonesc (amp is pretty quiet and if you subtract 15dB from H2 and H3 peaks, you get something a bit higher than the theoretically predicted FFT - but profile looks similar):

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This is my first measurement with the Rightmark software - pretty easy to use but I may be missing a setting or not doing something right. It requires you to set the ampitude at a pretty high level - so that may drive distortion up higher than what one would actually listen to at. I will repeat with the Focusrite 2i2 gen2 interface when that comes in - it should b cleaner.
 

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... and if you subtract 15dB from H2 and H3 peaks, you get something a bit higher than the theoretically predicted FFT - but profile looks similar):

You can't subtract like that. You need to do a root mean square subtraction of the figures instead.

Your soundcard has loopback of -95dB H3 =10^(-95/20)=1.78e-5
Your amp measures -70dB H3 =3.16e-4

Your amp's H3 = 20*log(sqrt(3.16e-4^2-1.78e-5^2)) = -70.01dB -> the H3 contribution of your soundcard is negligible in this case, as your amp has an H3 that is 25dB (18 times) higher than the soundcard.
 
You are right - that is the solo but it does have two inputs one for mic (XLR)and one for guitar (TRS) so I will have to be clever about how to split signals or do one at a time.

Be careful with the inputs since they have different impedance on the Solo version. Microphone input has 3kOhm impedance while the line input has 52kOhm. If you switch the line input into the instrument mode it gets to 1MOhm. I guess it would be better for you to send the Solo back and add $30 for the 2i2, IMO.
 
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You can't subtract like that. You need to do a root mean square subtraction of the figures instead.

Your soundcard has loopback of -95dB H3 =10^(-95/20)=1.78e-5
Your amp measures -70dB H3 =3.16e-4

Your amp's H3 = 20*log(sqrt(3.16e-4^2-1.78e-5^2)) = -70.01dB -> the H3 contribution of your soundcard is negligible in this case, as your amp has an H3 that is 25dB (18 times) higher than the soundcard.

Ok thanks for that reminder. So amp's H3 is higher than predicted. There is an interesting knob to dial here with putting a pot for R4 and dialing in the relative H3/H2 contributions.