F5 Turbo Builders Thread

Finally testing my F5T-Channels :D, everything looks good so far :).

Setup: 33V rails, 3x IRFP9140 + 3x IRFP240, CLC with 141mF/1mH; 0,5 Ohms Resistors, 9,8mA Jfets, Bias 2 Amps.

When fed with a square wave, the output voltage does overshoot a bit, at least more than depicted in the F5T article. Could this be related to the use of IRF-devices instead of Fairchild ? I couldn´t get FQAs anywhere.
The overshoot could be trimmed a bit by changing P3, but this also changed the straightness of the rest of the positive/negative output signal.

If anyone has an idea on this, i would be grateful to hear.

Can´t wait to listen to the F5T - have to do the enclosure still - especially as to how it compares to my A75. :D

Greetings
norb
 

Attachments

  • F5T_02sm.jpg
    F5T_02sm.jpg
    502.2 KB · Views: 608
  • F5T_04sm.jpg
    F5T_04sm.jpg
    376.6 KB · Views: 581
For the standard F5 Turbo V1 (no diodes or whatsoever, just higher rail voltage + 2 output pairs), is it ok to go for 0,5V voltage drop around the source resistors (as in standard F5T papers, 2 1R 3W Resistors, so 0,5R total) to go for a total of 2A bias per channel? Or should I exchange the source resistors to, lets say 0,68R and thus decrease the voltage drop?

Regards,

Fabian
 
Finally testing my F5T-Channels :D, everything looks good so far :).

Setup: 33V rails, 3x IRFP9140 + 3x IRFP240, CLC with 141mF/1mH; 0,5 Ohms Resistors, 9,8mA Jfets, Bias 2 Amps.

When fed with a square wave, the output voltage does overshoot a bit, at least more than depicted in the F5T article. Could this be related to the use of IRF-devices instead of Fairchild ? I couldn´t get FQAs anywhere.
The overshoot could be trimmed a bit by changing P3, but this also changed the straightness of the rest of the positive/negative output signal.

If anyone has an idea on this, i would be grateful to hear.

Can´t wait to listen to the F5T - have to do the enclosure still - especially as to how it compares to my A75. :D

Greetings
norb

Putting a 1000pF to 2000pF cap across the feedback resistors will fix the overshoot.

You can also change the value of the input resistor.
 
For the standard F5 Turbo V1 (no diodes or whatsoever, just higher rail voltage + 2 output pairs), is it ok to go for 0,5V voltage drop around the source resistors (as in standard F5T papers, 2 1R 3W Resistors, so 0,5R total) to go for a total of 2A bias per channel? Or should I exchange the source resistors to, lets say 0,68R and thus decrease the voltage drop?

Regards,

Fabian

yes. 1A pr device is no problem with +/-32V rails. thats 32W dissipation pr fet.
 
Hi there.

Any ideas on how to implement a "leaving class A" indicator with a LED for example, for the F5 turbo?

As far as I know, the vumeter on the Pass Labs amplifiers are not really vumeters but act as indicators (when the niddle moves) that the amplifier is leaving class A operation and entering into class B.

Is there a relatively easy way to implement something like this but with a LED acting as this indicator? i.e. that the led starts to light when leaving class A operation?
 
Any ideas on how to implement a "leaving class A" indicator with a LED

You will probably only want one indicator.

Take a look at the original F5 circuit, delete R21 & R22, disconnect the collectors of Q5 & Q6 and add an LED and resistor in series with each, connect the other end of the LED/resistor string to 0V, adjust the attenuator (R17 R19 & R18 R20) to suit your bias level ie. Turbo values 1A & 0.5R, leave class A at 2A (x 0.5R = 1V), with R17 & R18 = 1K, R19 & R20 = 2K that should put you somewhere in the ball park.
 
Last edited:
You will probably only want one indicator.

Take a look at the original F5 circuit, delete R21 & R22, disconnect the collectors of Q5 & Q6 and add an LED and resistor in series with each, connect the other end of the LED/resistor string to 0V, adjust the attenuator (R17 R19 & R18 R20) to suit your bias level ie. Turbo values 1A & 0.5R, leave class A at 2A (x 0.5R = 1V), with R17 & R18 = 1K, R19 & R20 = 2K that should put you somewhere in the ball park.

great! Would this impact sound quality ?
 
advice required

hello
I am at an early a f5t build, trying to see how the components will arrange internally. the heat sinks in use are quite deep, so width is a little limited (they were a donation so felt compelled to use them) however gained a bit on usual case height.

The photos depict the space available, also I have blue tacked some jar lids! to indicate were inductors may be placed .
I have a couple of concerns.
1, the co-location of the output devices to the transformers, currently a 30mm gap.
2, is this an acceptable location for the inductors.

Would really appreciate some opinions
20160407_182516_resized_1.jpg

20160410_152206_resized.jpg

20160407_182250_resized_1.jpg

regards
 
You will probably only want one indicator.

Take a look at the original F5 circuit, delete R21 & R22, disconnect the collectors of Q5 & Q6 and add an LED and resistor in series with each, connect the other end of the LED/resistor string to 0V, adjust the attenuator (R17 R19 & R18 R20) to suit your bias level ie. Turbo values 1A & 0.5R, leave class A at 2A (x 0.5R = 1V), with R17 & R18 = 1K, R19 & R20 = 2K that should put you somewhere in the ball park.

Great. Thank you. I may try this once I finish the amplifier.
 
What are the actual dimensions of the heatsinks? They look small for a F5T.

The heat sinks are not depicted in the photos, but here now. The alloy plate= 222mmx400mmx10.9mm, the fins are 222mmx95mmx70mm, each assy =9kgs, I milled a couple of thou off the mating face of the fin's, to get a better contact.
 

Attachments

  • 20160411_145923_resized_1.jpg
    20160411_145923_resized_1.jpg
    722.5 KB · Views: 370
From what I can see, it looks like you will have a difficult time reaching the pots to adjust bias and offset. The amp will need to be at operating temp and running: a slip of the screwdriver could prove very exciting!
Hal

Thanks for your concerns.
Bourns manufacture a pot with side entry, this will allow vertical access to P1 & P2. P3 legs can extended and turned through 90deg for same access, not pretty but a fix. The bourns pot adjusting tool is plastic and the tool for the job, but will still take heed of your advice when dealing with live power supplies.
 
Official Court Jester
Joined 2003
Paid Member
By the way, does anybody has a recommendation of fuse value if my power transformer is 1KVA (120Vac mains)? I plan to use a soft-start circuit.

Mr. Pass recommended a 4A slow fuse in the F5T article, but is this the same for different transformer specs?

Thanks!

1KVA/120V=8.3

say that 8A slow blow (T) will do the job