Clearly someone seems to care
Yes the end user is the one who should care most about what they prefer.
And it seems they don't care about alternative buffers, no matter how many times they are told they should.
The truth is that the ncores are so transparent that the limiting factor inevitably is your source material, your speakers and your room, and it seems the end users have noticed that, and stopped obsessing about irrelevant minor modifications to the amps.
And it seems they don't care about alternative buffers, no matter how many times they are told they should.
The truth is that the ncores are so transparent that the limiting factor inevitably is your source material, your speakers and your room, and it seems the end users have noticed that, and stopped obsessing about irrelevant minor modifications to the amps.
The NC-500's are just an output stage. Unless your preamp can drive the 1.8k input impedance with ease, then a buffer must be used. I highly doubt anyone will be making a stand alone amp designed to be compatible with a variety of sources without a buffer.
I guess most DIYers are using the nc400. The nc500 implies a commercial product, and there is a separate thread for that.
Last posts I seen from the moderator it sounded like we were free to talk about any Ncore amps here. Isn't this the Ncore thread? The other thread is about Boggit's NC500 build. I'm not talking about Boggit's NC-500 build.
Just to be pedantic, I do have to point out that a power amp is much more than just a buffer and an "output stage". The nc500 is a power amp, but one that requires a pretty low-impedance source.
The magic of the ncores lies in the feedback circuitry, not the output stage (that in the case of the ncores, basically consists of the switching transistors).
I was simplifying it into 2 parts. Input stage and output stage. Seems like that's how many are referring to it. The NC-500 is designed specifically to use an external input buffer. This is because most OEM's who use the UCD modules, bypass the buffer anyways, they decided to just leave it off so OEM's can build their own. This way there's not just a bunch of clones in different boxes on the market.
You are clearly free to talk about nc500's here. But this discussion started because of the quietness of this thread - and I pointed out that most DIY people aren't that interested in discussing alternative buffer circuits for the nc500, because it isn't that relevant or interesting to them. If it is what you have a burning interest in, feel free to discuss it (preferably by presenting something that hasn't already been said a hundred times), but don't be surprised if people aren't that interested.
Why not? Would it not be a DIY project if someone modified a commercial amp using the NC-500's? The only reason this dead thread sprung back to life back in September was due to NC-500 talk.
How much more can possibly be said about the NC400's that hasn't been said already?
Well, you went a bit further than that:
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Yes, we have gotten that message by now.
I totally understand why OEMs want to differentiate their products in a crowded marketplace. For a DIYer, that is not an issue, and a simple, transparent solution might be better than something that sounds "different". Thus the nc400 probably makes the most sense for a DIY person.
It would, but not that many people are really interested in modifying a commercial amp as opposed to assembling their own.
Not much - and is there anything wrong with that? We don't need to say something just to say something. There is a great old Finnish saying "The words you say better be worth more than the silence you break".
Well, you went a bit further than that:
(emphasis added)
Yes, we have gotten that message by now.
I totally understand why OEMs want to differentiate their products in a crowded marketplace. For a DIYer, that is not an issue, and a simple, transparent solution might be better than something that sounds "different". Thus the nc400 probably makes the most sense for a DIY person.
Depends who you are. The NC400's are phenomenal amps, but not everyone likes them. And yes that may be because they are flawed, not the amps. And I know that's unacceptable for you.
It would, but not that many people are really interested in modifying a commercial amp as opposed to assembling their own.
Not much - and is there anything wrong with that? We don't need to say something just to say something. There is a great old Finnish saying "The words you say better be worth more than the silence you break".
Well not many people are interested in doing much around this thread lately. Personally I would love to see some NC500 amp mods to revive this burnt out old thread.
Shouldn't that be what's diy people be most interested about?
It give's them the chance to actually make something, for example an input interface without buffer, or even better, their own input buffer.
But none seems to care to do that. They prefer just to assemble the already made nc400 modules? Is this diy? Modify a commercial product like nc500 amp isn't also diy?
Both are "DIY" in some limited sense - neither is really what I would personally call DIY, but I guess it is still better than just buying commercial products and calling it a hobby
Back in the day when I got into DIY electronics, we actually designed the circuits, and shared the design and schematics, and discussed our design decisions - along with explaining the theory behind it.
I loved the old "Wireless World" magazine, where people like D.T.N. Williamson, John Linsley-Hood and A.R. Bailey would publish their designs, along with a discussion about the theory behind them. In that respect, Bruno is one of the few modern top designers/engineers who continue that tradition.
These days it seems replacing a couple of electrolytic capacitors with some "audiophile grade" equivalents is sufficient. No actual understanding needed.
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