After first install Zone Alarm begins with the assumption that you'd done a clean install, and it stays in "learning mode" for a short time. Week or two? During that time, it allows everything and makes persistent settings to that accord (that you can alter). After learning mode closes, Zone Alarm repels any changed or different or new software that wanted to use the internet. A pop up message comes up from the task bar tray, asking if you wanted to allow the new thing temporarily (and there's a little bitty checkbox for permanent, not checked by default). That needful function may annoy and incur service calls per each instance--oh the high cost of effectiveness!
Because of the bother, it certainly isn't popular for desktop PC's; however, it is probably a must for securing windows servers.
For example, when I tried it for my family, my mom called me, slightly panicked and extremely annoyed, every single time there was a notification; so, I had to delete it in order to regain passable mental health. Indeed the Linux router's Jdrop feature was FAR more pleasant even though linux can give you a workout.
Zone Alarm does have the well deserved reputation as the bad boy of firewalls, because effective. Zone Alarm is indeed provably more effective than the solution that I ended up with; however, magic comes with a price, and its unpleasant. I'd tolerate it for a server, and I'd probably require it for a server. Steve Gibson, would prefer it on desktop PC's, but his end users probably won't cuss him out every single time there is a notification. Mine sure did. And that's a fail. Proceed with due caution.
For the purposes of our discussion, it would be necessary to shut off the learning mode prior to installing any updates.
For Firefox/Nightly and for Adobe Flash, it is possible to alter the settings to something much like "This changes often" so that one is not bothered by excessive volumes of warning messages from Zone Alarm. Otherwise, updated software, a change, won't be going online, unless you give permission.
Because of the bother, it certainly isn't popular for desktop PC's; however, it is probably a must for securing windows servers.
For example, when I tried it for my family, my mom called me, slightly panicked and extremely annoyed, every single time there was a notification; so, I had to delete it in order to regain passable mental health. Indeed the Linux router's Jdrop feature was FAR more pleasant even though linux can give you a workout.
Zone Alarm does have the well deserved reputation as the bad boy of firewalls, because effective. Zone Alarm is indeed provably more effective than the solution that I ended up with; however, magic comes with a price, and its unpleasant. I'd tolerate it for a server, and I'd probably require it for a server. Steve Gibson, would prefer it on desktop PC's, but his end users probably won't cuss him out every single time there is a notification. Mine sure did. And that's a fail. Proceed with due caution.
For the purposes of our discussion, it would be necessary to shut off the learning mode prior to installing any updates.
For Firefox/Nightly and for Adobe Flash, it is possible to alter the settings to something much like "This changes often" so that one is not bothered by excessive volumes of warning messages from Zone Alarm. Otherwise, updated software, a change, won't be going online, unless you give permission.
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It, Zone Alarm free Firewall-Only product, has not yet been released for Windows 10. But, after that point, we need no longer worry quite as much about Windows 10, which is awfully fast for laptops, really softmode 2014~2016~apu type computers, but otherwise not so worth it for the decrease in compatibility with historic software that we already bought the license for.
My own laptop, a single core atom netbook does run Windows 10, and it was out of desire for running relevant software that I already learned and paid for that I chose to install 32 bit.
Windows 7 wasn't fast enough--not even relevant on a single core atom. Windows XP didn't support my SSD upgrade well enough, so that the practical usage was inconvenienced.
It is special cases like these when Windows 10 could be optimal. Also my TV computer, an HP dangit! No, that's not the model, but my memory--I been sleepin with the tape eraser? just a sec. . . Yeah, HP Deskpro 600 G1. It IS the newest HP commercial computer platform, in fact used by HP commercial services for their own operations. Okay, mine is only an I5, and theirs is an I7, but that's not really important. However, what may be important is that the already cast off 6300 Pro was the last of the good oldies, so you better get some if you need stable commercial grade computers (they been thrown out already, so the price is very low). But this horrible new crap design Deskpro 600 G1, almost as bad as a Dell, is so very softmode that acquiring stable drivers is a hardship. Perfectly good drivers come with Windows 10 instantly, so easily. So, both my laptop and TV computer are running Windows 10. I would like to suggest to avoid doing that unless you had reason to do it.
But, there are some cases when you'd really love Windows 10, specifically if you'd bought really inappropriate hardware and wanted it to do as well as old hardware. Yeah then, you'd love Windows 10.
The "escape hatch" on compatibility is, as always, the 32 bit version, which just might be able to run more stuff, except for memory chips, and 4gb is it.
Compatibility with your previously purchases supplies, is where XP 32 bit 2014 XP4-nopos (and earlier), and Windows 7 2013 32 bit, beats all else. If it so happens that you have to buy a rather cheap and excellent quality computer to get going; well, that's just par for the course.
Likewise I would like to suggest avoiding upgrading from Windows XP if you are supporting legacy specialist equipment that has XP drivers. XP has safe updates all the way to 2014, and everything else, so far, falls short. Zone Alarm v5 pro, protects Windows XP, far more than well enough. Had we wanted to increase security, upgrading to progressively less effective offerings from Microsoft, doesn't do that. Really, the faulty approaches offered, ought to be compared with more direct approaches proven to work (none of which are Microsoft, even though some effective approaches can run on top of Microsoft operating systems).
Where was I going with this? Ha! No idea. Figure it out.
Guys, I'm getting old.
My own laptop, a single core atom netbook does run Windows 10, and it was out of desire for running relevant software that I already learned and paid for that I chose to install 32 bit.
Windows 7 wasn't fast enough--not even relevant on a single core atom. Windows XP didn't support my SSD upgrade well enough, so that the practical usage was inconvenienced.
It is special cases like these when Windows 10 could be optimal. Also my TV computer, an HP dangit! No, that's not the model, but my memory--I been sleepin with the tape eraser? just a sec. . . Yeah, HP Deskpro 600 G1. It IS the newest HP commercial computer platform, in fact used by HP commercial services for their own operations. Okay, mine is only an I5, and theirs is an I7, but that's not really important. However, what may be important is that the already cast off 6300 Pro was the last of the good oldies, so you better get some if you need stable commercial grade computers (they been thrown out already, so the price is very low). But this horrible new crap design Deskpro 600 G1, almost as bad as a Dell, is so very softmode that acquiring stable drivers is a hardship. Perfectly good drivers come with Windows 10 instantly, so easily. So, both my laptop and TV computer are running Windows 10. I would like to suggest to avoid doing that unless you had reason to do it.
But, there are some cases when you'd really love Windows 10, specifically if you'd bought really inappropriate hardware and wanted it to do as well as old hardware. Yeah then, you'd love Windows 10.
The "escape hatch" on compatibility is, as always, the 32 bit version, which just might be able to run more stuff, except for memory chips, and 4gb is it.
Compatibility with your previously purchases supplies, is where XP 32 bit 2014 XP4-nopos (and earlier), and Windows 7 2013 32 bit, beats all else. If it so happens that you have to buy a rather cheap and excellent quality computer to get going; well, that's just par for the course.
Likewise I would like to suggest avoiding upgrading from Windows XP if you are supporting legacy specialist equipment that has XP drivers. XP has safe updates all the way to 2014, and everything else, so far, falls short. Zone Alarm v5 pro, protects Windows XP, far more than well enough. Had we wanted to increase security, upgrading to progressively less effective offerings from Microsoft, doesn't do that. Really, the faulty approaches offered, ought to be compared with more direct approaches proven to work (none of which are Microsoft, even though some effective approaches can run on top of Microsoft operating systems).
Where was I going with this? Ha! No idea. Figure it out.
Guys, I'm getting old.
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So ,
Win10 good for spankin' new internet "appliances" ... like netbooks , laptops ,
OEM consumer junk.
Win 7 (as I know), is optimal for those old/new mixed industrial PC's.
Includes all those core duo gaming builds with real peripherals.
XP = good for the garage (legacy sound blasters) !!!
Win10 is perfect for the ad/commerce "dumb terminal" post 2020 world.
A big phone-like "black box".
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Win10 good for spankin' new internet "appliances" ... like netbooks , laptops ,
OEM consumer junk.
Win 7 (as I know), is optimal for those old/new mixed industrial PC's.
Includes all those core duo gaming builds with real peripherals.
XP = good for the garage (legacy sound blasters) !!!
Win10 is perfect for the ad/commerce "dumb terminal" post 2020 world.
A big phone-like "black box".
OS
That's right. It make those softmode things go like blazes. And, as with any version of windows, plugging the leaks takes adding a third party means to work. That disadvantage is not isolated to Windows 10.
Windows 10 does have disadvantages--even worse compatibility than Windows 8, is the worst of it. Sure, 10 is really fast, but it runs less stuff, less stably, especially true of older software. And it is more difficult to use Windows 10 as a server, since driveroot and folder shares are much different--you often end up having to add one user at a time, instead of the previous luxury of using groups. Then there's also the font scaling blur problem, but there is a third party patch published for that one.
The 32 bit version of Windows 10 behaves slightly better (than the 64 bit edition) when supporting older software and older devices. Rather than a sports car experience, it is a lot more like an economy car fitted with a much too large engine--cheap, fast, and not entirely steady.
That is not considered safe to use for an ATM. Instead, the ATM are still on XP POS 2015. And, the updates do still work for that version.
Surprise! The best security can be achieved with XP.
The updates for the Posready (embedded) version of XP will also make sure that it won't work very well for a desktop computer--it just doesn't quite manage to do everything we'd want for a desktop.
Wow, my XP pro box is in the garage, on a C2D Extreme, and with a first edition SoundBlaster X-Fi.Win 7 (as I know), s optimal for those old/new mixed industrial PC's. Includes all those core duo gaming builds with real peripherals. XP = good for the garage (legacy sound blasters) !!!
It is running SP2 with wifi, time, c+, directx updates, all done ala-carte. That is a charming speedy experience, with better security than newer options. Also, it really rocks the garage.
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how to start a second HDD?
My memory is playing up.
I plugged in my second sata 750GB HDD.
But it does not show up when I look at "computer".
Only the four partitions that I created show.
I opened TreeSize and it too only reports the four partitions. No second HDD.
What keys do I press to see and format that new HDD?
I have a second Q on using Ultimate Windows Tweaker, but I'll save that for later/soon.
My memory is playing up.
I plugged in my second sata 750GB HDD.
But it does not show up when I look at "computer".
Only the four partitions that I created show.
I opened TreeSize and it too only reports the four partitions. No second HDD.
What keys do I press to see and format that new HDD?
I have a second Q on using Ultimate Windows Tweaker, but I'll save that for later/soon.
Does the drive show if you right click computer and look in the disk management console ? Post #193
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/everything-else/281043-pc-becomes-very-slow-respond.html#post4498934
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/everything-else/281043-pc-becomes-very-slow-respond.html#post4498934
Now I can see it.
It is asking
you must initialise a disk before Logical Disk Manager can access it.
Select disks:
it shows a ticked box next to disk 1
The first HDD is disk 0
After that it asks:
MBR (Master Boot Record)
GPT ( GUID Partition Table)
MBR is already highlighted. Do I just click on OK?
It is asking
you must initialise a disk before Logical Disk Manager can access it.
Select disks:
it shows a ticked box next to disk 1
The first HDD is disk 0
After that it asks:
MBR (Master Boot Record)
GPT ( GUID Partition Table)
MBR is already highlighted. Do I just click on OK?
If its unused, just carry on and click OK. You have the choice though of selecting MBR (master boot record) or GPT.
MBR should be universally compatible.
XP will NOT run with GPT.
GPT is required for >2Tb drives.
GPT supports the now more common UEFI systems (rather than traditional BIOS)
Search for UEFI vs BIOS to read up on it all.
HTG Explains: Learn How UEFI Will Replace Your PC’s BIOS
And whatever you do can be altered.
MBR should be universally compatible.
XP will NOT run with GPT.
GPT is required for >2Tb drives.
GPT supports the now more common UEFI systems (rather than traditional BIOS)
Search for UEFI vs BIOS to read up on it all.
HTG Explains: Learn How UEFI Will Replace Your PC’s BIOS
And whatever you do can be altered.
peerblock LOL
if you can't trust your OS then who can you trust?
time for you to quit MS is very near, otherwise you'll be a nut case.
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Perfect time to "dice" it up (partitions).
Secondary drives are good for large 3rd party software installations or
for storing work/docs.
750GB - 1TB , I usually at least split it in half.
I make an "EXTRA" volume for installations plus a "AUDIO" or "MEDIA"
volume for other stuff.
If you know what you have (and what you might end up with) to help
determine size - good.
For example , I gain about 20-50MB PDF documents a week. My "PDF"
partition is 200GB (60GB PDF's already). Should be years before I
run out of room with my current collection habit's.
Edit - and for those 60GB ... just 3 cheap blu-ray disks to optically back up
all those years of "collecting".
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Nah , I understand my 4/19/2013 windows 7 SO well.
-NO update service (whatsoever). It can't communicate if it is
"beheaded".
-Just port 80/443 , newer windows , (W8/10) also uses this for the update.
NO way in hell to tell if comm. is a bloated "update from hell" or a web page.
- Then 135/137 for local networks ..... 1090 for a VPN proxy.
All this is locked down and monitored 24/7. These ports only
open when used or needed.
This PC does not do anything "automatically" (communication wise).
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Sure fire recipe for epic slowdown.
Partitioning is fun up till you've got 2 partitions busy at the same time, and the the hard drive head goes zooming back and forth, getting absolutely nothing else done. You'd think it was the slowest computer on earth. Watch out for that. Multiple partitions doesn't perform like multiple drives.
Instead of excessive hard drive head workload:
Do make C: large enough for all software and "activities" and then reserve all other partitions for only data file storage and rarely accessed files.
Partitioning is fun up till you've got 2 partitions busy at the same time, and the the hard drive head goes zooming back and forth, getting absolutely nothing else done. You'd think it was the slowest computer on earth. Watch out for that. Multiple partitions doesn't perform like multiple drives.
Instead of excessive hard drive head workload:
Do make C: large enough for all software and "activities" and then reserve all other partitions for only data file storage and rarely accessed files.
Indeed seeking is intensely slow compared to serial reading.
Original partitioning in Unix systems was precautionary against (for example) a log file growing and filling a partition and crashing the system.. or to mount system partitions read only.. or quota abuse of user space. It made the most sense on a mainframe/terminal setup where administration was more than just the occasional de-frag and outages affected many people.
I HAVE W10 - NOTHING has changed to make for anything better (over
Vista).
All they have done is turned it into adware. Added stupid cortana and
live ad tiles.
Tell me .... what "feature" is present to increase our productivity ?
Your attitude is why you will be using a (rented) dumb terminal in
2 years.
BTW - they do make the corporate version of W10 without updates/
live tiles and telemetry. They know the corporate server would "behead"
these services regardless .... so they allow them to be disabled.
Unfortunately , regular consumers are guinea pigs for the corporate
OS's - they make our systems debug the corporate finished product.
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The OS - the windows environment is dominant. It's "features" suck.
- Video = BSplayer or even Winamp V5.666 totally blows away WMP ,
... from midi/mp3/flac or avi/mpeg/divx(H264 blue ray).
-Photo's = paint shop pro 7 is even beyond W10's "gaudy" paint.
A 13 year old software that is more functional than a new one.
- File work = windows DOES seem to have this right. The only
feature that seems to have little 3'rd party competition - It does
deal with M$'s file system ... it should be the best !
- Browsers .... what a laugh chrome /firefox are light years ahead of
any M$ equivalent.
So , why do they bother ? Why not just sell us the platform without
the garbage. This is how I use my windows - just a "platform".
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- Video = BSplayer or even Winamp V5.666 totally blows away WMP ,
... from midi/mp3/flac or avi/mpeg/divx(H264 blue ray).
-Photo's = paint shop pro 7 is even beyond W10's "gaudy" paint.
A 13 year old software that is more functional than a new one.
- File work = windows DOES seem to have this right. The only
feature that seems to have little 3'rd party competition - It does
deal with M$'s file system ... it should be the best !
- Browsers .... what a laugh chrome /firefox are light years ahead of
any M$ equivalent.
So , why do they bother ? Why not just sell us the platform without
the garbage. This is how I use my windows - just a "platform".
OS
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