What about mark audio alpair 7.3?
What about mark audio alpair 7.3? 10p and 12p 2gen?
how does it fare against audio nirvana?
i'm in the process of making a one way from 60hz to 22khz
I need the best, only the best with no flaws.. but can't pay too much..
so what is the best between
alpair, audio nirvana, fostex fw85k or 125, tang bang bamboo (what size), betsy??
My goal is actually to have a one way that would also be the bass of a 2,3 way but i don't need anything under 60hz.. i will use a sub for this when needed..
I will use that one way as reference in my studio..
What about mark audio alpair 7.3? 10p and 12p 2gen?
how does it fare against audio nirvana?
i'm in the process of making a one way from 60hz to 22khz
I need the best, only the best with no flaws.. but can't pay too much..
so what is the best between
alpair, audio nirvana, fostex fw85k or 125, tang bang bamboo (what size), betsy??
My goal is actually to have a one way that would also be the bass of a 2,3 way but i don't need anything under 60hz.. i will use a sub for this when needed..
I will use that one way as reference in my studio..
ok its a coaxial.. but who makes these drivers?
AUDIOMANUFACTURE BOENICKE AUDIO Studio 12 STUDIO MONITOR
AUDIOMANUFACTURE BOENICKE AUDIO Studio 12 STUDIO MONITOR
My current weapon of choice is a Celestion CX 1512 Standard Studio Series 15 ohm coaxial 12 in 2 way that features a single Mundorf Supreme 1.5 uF Cap as the only Crossover component. It sounds superb and is the best of all the bunch I have listened to that approaches the immediacy of the full range drivers but without the lack of extension at the extremes.
The Coral Beta 8 was lovely in what it did but the lack of bass and treble extension became annoying over time the Beta 10 had obviously better bass but the top end was the same. I think that all full rangers suffer the same issues. The {mostly} usual 10dB or more rise in response from resonsance to the upper response IM distortion issues & ragged top end response. Cudos to Seas for publishing unsmoothed reponse curves for its Exotic fullranger. This is one designers answer to these issues
Decware FRX Full Range Driver
The following companies are dealing with these issues in a way that combines the best of both worlds IE Using acoustic rather than electrical control of driver response & absolute minimal crossover components.
[wiki=Gemme Audio Tanto Review]%[/wiki]
[wiki=RD White Papers]%[/wiki] they are not only re-discovering this approach AKA Celestion in the mid 60's with the CX 1512 but re-defining it
The Coral Beta 8 was lovely in what it did but the lack of bass and treble extension became annoying over time the Beta 10 had obviously better bass but the top end was the same. I think that all full rangers suffer the same issues. The {mostly} usual 10dB or more rise in response from resonsance to the upper response IM distortion issues & ragged top end response. Cudos to Seas for publishing unsmoothed reponse curves for its Exotic fullranger. This is one designers answer to these issues
Decware FRX Full Range Driver
The following companies are dealing with these issues in a way that combines the best of both worlds IE Using acoustic rather than electrical control of driver response & absolute minimal crossover components.
[wiki=Gemme Audio Tanto Review]%[/wiki]
[wiki=RD White Papers]%[/wiki] they are not only re-discovering this approach AKA Celestion in the mid 60's with the CX 1512 but re-defining it
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Agree with Talaerts, the Alpair 12P is a very nice sounding driver. I have tried it in a compact BR box and now listening to them in Pensil 12.2P cabinets. The driver is detailed but pleasant to listen to, with a slightly laid back sound. The mid-range is very natural sounding and the driver does not sound fatiguing or shouty at all. The HF extension for a 6.5" paper-cone FR without whizzer is impressive. The driver has an 8" frame but cone would really fall in the 6.5" driver class.
Supravox
I heard the 215 field coil at the US distributer's house in Southern California a few years back. They were in large rear loaded horn enclosures. Immersive, effortless, and mesmerizing as I recall. I've never heard anything close in a multi-way. I have not had the chance to compare another FR to the Supravox but I'm thinking about trying the Alpair 12P.
I heard the 215 field coil at the US distributer's house in Southern California a few years back. They were in large rear loaded horn enclosures. Immersive, effortless, and mesmerizing as I recall. I've never heard anything close in a multi-way. I have not had the chance to compare another FR to the Supravox but I'm thinking about trying the Alpair 12P.
as I recall could be a good way to put it
we remember the experience, and an opinion, or feeling, but not the sound
had a funny experience the other day
visited a friend to hear his new 'stereo'
quite impressive with tons of power
I went home with feeling mine was worse than I thought, and would have to do something about it
but when home and listening to my own stereo I could immediately hear what his could never do, and what mine was clearly doing better still
but quite a surprice I forget my own sound so fast
or maybe I was just surpriced by the sheer power his produced
another friend have almost similar setup, and its the same thing
even more impressive effortless power, but lacks the finesse at normal listening level
funny is, I can recal the effortless power theirs have...but my own was harder to recall
but at least now I know As I recall...
Interesting post Tinitus. I knew someone would catch that little qualifier. I tend to suffer the opposite issue. I have a very hard time adjusting to (or liking) other systems and I wonder if I've become so well 'adjusted' to mine that I take it's sound as my absolute reference. I get to listen to live music from time to time and try to take those mental notes with me wherever I go but the sound I live with the most and have become so familiar with is my own system. I sometimes wonder if the whole burn-in phenomenon that people experience is the brain filling in the gaps and adjusting over a period of time.
Interesting post Tinitus. I knew someone would catch that little qualifier. I tend to suffer the opposite issue. I have a very hard time adjusting to (or liking) other systems and I wonder if I've become so well 'adjusted' to mine that I take it's sound as my absolute reference. I get to listen to live music from time to time and try to take those mental notes with me wherever I go but the sound I live with the most and have become so familiar with is my own system. I sometimes wonder if the whole burn-in phenomenon that people experience is the brain filling in the gaps and adjusting over a period of time.
Live music is irrelevant to many. I find it the only calibration that matters. But then for me music is primarily acoustic, so a professional bluegrass ensemble in a lively space, for example, tells me that most systems are too hot in the upper midrange. Then again, that may just be tinnitus. Now to hook up my 8 inch Stephens for the first time in years! Hope it doesn't emphasize the Makita shriek that's lodged in my head after years of finish carpentry.
I think that when you have a fairly ok system, then it is painfully obvious how bad many generic systems sound. Even some so called high end systems can be irritating.
However with an open mind it is still possible to be surprised.
I vividly remember how nice big ProAc speakers married with Nagra electronics sounded. And every time again that I hear my friend's Quad electrostatics, their neutral naturalness impresses me - a first impression may even be that they are bland, but no, they are just devoid of tonal character. Or the effortless non-fatigueing soundstage of big Magneplanars driven by heavy McIntosh amps. In the FR part of the spectrum, Bert Doppenberg's Quasar system with AER drivers were also unforgettable.
In the newer jind of systems, I notice that the Naim streaming Uniti amps sound dynamic with nearly all speakers, even at low level. They're too expensive to my taste, but the sound is good.
However with an open mind it is still possible to be surprised.
I vividly remember how nice big ProAc speakers married with Nagra electronics sounded. And every time again that I hear my friend's Quad electrostatics, their neutral naturalness impresses me - a first impression may even be that they are bland, but no, they are just devoid of tonal character. Or the effortless non-fatigueing soundstage of big Magneplanars driven by heavy McIntosh amps. In the FR part of the spectrum, Bert Doppenberg's Quasar system with AER drivers were also unforgettable.
In the newer jind of systems, I notice that the Naim streaming Uniti amps sound dynamic with nearly all speakers, even at low level. They're too expensive to my taste, but the sound is good.
I have a pair of Goodmans TwinAxiom 8. I find them extrememly 3D, holophonic and soundstage very deep, dynamic as hell and they reach very low on the bass, play very smoothly on the highs and a mid like few can do. They just dissappear and all you hear is effortless music. My buddies are pretty stunned when they learn that it's an 8 inch driver. I find them good enough to use as referential hifi monitors and will never part with them.
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Hey Joe are all those your speakers? If so I'm so very jealous. I've never had the opportunity to even see, let alone listen to or own Loth-X Audio's speaker the MINSTREL with that wonderful STAMM driver installed! Oh poor me, now I have to go listen to a pair of Fostex FE208ES-R drivers...
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Hi Tom:
Been listening to Altec 756B 10" but I just picked up a pair of nice 618 style cabs crafted by DiyA member delwon, so I will be firin up teh 755As again.
The pics are from Silbatone factory in Seoul. I wouldn't want to own that many speakers but it would be nice to pick out a few pairs to take home.
Best of both worlds is to have a chance to hear them a few times a year without having to own all that museum-quality junk! Remember....you don't own your possessions, they own you!
Been listening to Altec 756B 10" but I just picked up a pair of nice 618 style cabs crafted by DiyA member delwon, so I will be firin up teh 755As again.
The pics are from Silbatone factory in Seoul. I wouldn't want to own that many speakers but it would be nice to pick out a few pairs to take home.
Best of both worlds is to have a chance to hear them a few times a year without having to own all that museum-quality junk! Remember....you don't own your possessions, they own you!
Glad to see this thread is still alive! From my experience, the Stephens 80fr's are very nice, and have something resembling actual power handling capability (not hundreds of watts, but at least ten IIRC). And to answer Joe Robert's question about the Pioneer PIM-6 and 8: I have a pair of the 6's in factory cabinets and they are, indeed, all that. The best small loudspeaker I've ever heard. Sit close (they only handle 1.5 watts), put on some music, and the room you're in disappears. A better box would probably be in order but...
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