Yes buy making them official vendors this makes them more popular and people will then have more confidence as a buyer.
I agree this totally, but I'm trying to get some comprimise in to try and make everyone happy, the end product could be a very good price so an extra few dollars won't hurt to keep the designers and community happy!
OK , BECAUSE ... they would most likely be selling a whole kit w/ parts far cheaper than what I would just sell a set of boards for. On top of that , there is NO WAY I can compete with workers 20 to room working 70 hours/wk with suicide nets outside the windows getting paid with room, board, and food. (apple ipod manufacturing).
And .. #2 , if the product was substandard , it would be associated with the original. Some would even ask for support if the product was similar (the DX example). Many other valid reasons to be dissatisfied with theft.
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OS even after you and the community (if you want) have checked and rechecked voiced their opinions on a board design would you not then be happy? You are one of the designers I was hoping to get involved.
I don't think they should be sold in kits due to the fact I think the likes of the members on DIY would rather have preference to which components they used. By doing this they can also avoid cheaper components that could possibly be fake.
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The answer is here ...
For the top 5%-wonderful , for the rest ... ditto. Endless industrial wastelands ,ghetto's, boarded up business districts surrounded by a ring of walmart's selling junk that lasts 6 months (knoxville). Creating Huge mountains of toxic garbage riddled w/ heavy metals. After nearly 20 years , total apathy because they "only know" junk. Durable quality consumer items are not sought after as the "throw away society" has become institutionalized. A "perfect storm" of technology , globalization , and a brain dead populace will make for a quite miserable future.
PS - Tourist's go up in the great smoky park , can't even say HI! to them ... they walk around in the woods talking on their phones - pathetic.
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Globalization is the extension of capitalism made possible by technology.
Technology was for the most part created by capitalism , at first it was good. Then capitalism used technology to accelerate capitalism - bad. Now someone somewhere in the world sneezes and oil goes up by $20/barrel. The media works daily to make consumers think they need things that they don't. Commercialism has almost gotten to the point of degrading the quality of life for everyone.
Most work harder for less , lives are more stressful , values are denigrated. Sure, we can microwave a TV dinner , or communicate in ways we could not imagine 20 years ago , but we no longer talk to our neighbor's ... bad tradeoff.
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Technology was for the most part created by capitalism , at first it was good. Then capitalism used technology to accelerate capitalism - bad. Now someone somewhere in the world sneezes and oil goes up by $20/barrel. The media works daily to make consumers think they need things that they don't. Commercialism has almost gotten to the point of degrading the quality of life for everyone.
Most work harder for less , lives are more stressful , values are denigrated. Sure, we can microwave a TV dinner , or communicate in ways we could not imagine 20 years ago , but we no longer talk to our neighbor's ... bad tradeoff.
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The question you don't look at is the supplier's viewpoint:
What cost will it be to his business in the handover of design authority to just one group of the total market? Will it improve his profit margin? Let's not forget that Jim's and several other Epay kit marketers popularity is built on unofficial but very good quality boards at cheapest prices already. Yes, let's see what Jim (Stanton Tin) thinks about the benefits to his business.
As far as boards people want, you need only count the long threads on the Forum. Lessee now, how many Symasym board versions are there?
What cost will it be to his business in the handover of design authority to just one group of the total market? Will it improve his profit margin? Let's not forget that Jim's and several other Epay kit marketers popularity is built on unofficial but very good quality boards at cheapest prices already. Yes, let's see what Jim (Stanton Tin) thinks about the benefits to his business.
As far as boards people want, you need only count the long threads on the Forum. Lessee now, how many Symasym board versions are there?
theft legal definition of theft. theft synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.
Sy IMO your talking about copyright or patent infringement, that's not theft. Corporations do this all the time, it seems acceptable if you've got swarms of lawyers but not ok if your small fry.
Getting back to pcbs, I'm bemused at how the Chinese are vilified for selling boards, yet when someone on the board makes a few bucks for his time he's doing the community a service.
There are a few members on Diyaudio whose rants about Chinese and their theft is bordering racism IMO.
There's a simple answer to this, make boards and sell them, provide BOM and circuit with boards. Once you've put it on a board, got user feedback, design advice then its public domain IMO.
OK , BECAUSE ... they would most likely be selling a whole kit w/ parts far cheaper than what I would just sell a set of boards for. On top of that , there is NO WAY I can compete with workers 20 to room working 70 hours/wk with suicide nets outside the windows getting paid with room, board, and food. (apple ipod manufacturing).
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You get upset about someone making a few boards that may compete with your endeavour. Massive corporations that exploit this labour source at the expense of western jobs are just doing good business. We are so heavily conditioned its beyond belief. Please don't blame the Chinese.
Not exactly. There's also trademark and trade dress infringement and diminishment of their value. Someone works hard for years to have his name and brand associated with some set of qualities. Someone else comes along and, doing nothing other than copying, uses the name, brand, reputation built by the first person to sell his goods. That's theft from a moral standpoint, trademark and trade dress infringement from a legal standpoint. To me, it's theft- you've stolen the labor of another and diminished the value of his brand, especially (but not only) when you're selling product of lesser quality.
To clear up a commonly misunderstood point, if you're a small guy and you're ripped off by a large entity who makes millions from it, you're actually in a pretty good situation. Look up "contingency."
and that's different, because the inventor (you) has granted permission to do so. i recently released a very useful piece of software i wrote many years ago as freeware. i already made my money from it and it was DOS software (a test pattern generator program for fixing CRT monitors). back in the 90's when i wrote it, there were two companies selling it, and i made $50.00 per copy that they sold. i recently recompiled it as freeware and released it as freeware on my blog. after all who uses DOS anymore, and who really works much on CRT computer monitors anymore. well 500 people have downloaded it to date, and at least a few are actively using it for commercial use. and i'm releasing a bugfix in a couple of weeks. but my usage license reads "Distribution: Unlimited, Permission is granted by the author for ANY use, private or commercial.". that license is unambiguous. i made money on the product when i wanted to make money on it, and released it as freeware when i thought that was appropriate. but i'm the one who made that decision, not some chinese company. if some company had bought a legitimate copy of my software back in the 90's and began reselling it without paying me or the service supply company that was licensed to sell my software, that would be illegal, and both i and my licensed distributor could sue for damages (i wrote a copy for each distributor with their company name and contact information on the licensing page of the software). and prosecuted for theft. if a designer specifically gives permission to use their work, i have no problem with that. if a designer hasn't given permission, and somebody exploits their work, that designer has had their work stolen.
if "Sum Yung Goon" company downloads my freeware program and SELLS it, they've already hosed themselves, because somebody is going to buy it, find out it's already freeware and be really upset they paid for something that's freeware...
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again, i am under the understanding that both nelson pass as well as carlos (DX) are putting their designs into the open domain in terms of components such as PCB's? They seem to assert a restriction in terms of not allowing completed units to be sold.
if the above is true how do you construct a damage claim against ebay shops such as jims audio? in my opinion i think they make this hobby more accessible for many enthusiasts, precisely because they build and stock components for the enthusiast rather than building cheap clones of the final product.
i can understand how others, such as elliott sound products assert copyright for the circuit itself, but i dont see many of those designs being offered as components or kits.
my few cents.
if the above is true how do you construct a damage claim against ebay shops such as jims audio? in my opinion i think they make this hobby more accessible for many enthusiasts, precisely because they build and stock components for the enthusiast rather than building cheap clones of the final product.
i can understand how others, such as elliott sound products assert copyright for the circuit itself, but i dont see many of those designs being offered as components or kits.
my few cents.
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