Logic vs. emotion

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This is why: Climate change has to do with energy budgets on a global scale, indeed, on an astronomical scale. That's hard science.

But budgets sounds to me more like accounting and finance than science. What am I missing?

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Why should I read them when I can read the actual people doing real science?

Never suggested you should. You haven't exhausted the entire human race in your listing. Real science means working in the establishment then does it? Are there no 'real scientists' outside it?
 
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Taken from your company's website
Chemicals with EA have been strongly linked to adverse health effects such as birth defects, reproductive cancers, and behavioral and learning disorders. The widely known chemicals BPA and phthalates are only a few of thousands of chemicals suspected to have EA.

And further:
Increasing consumer concern over the safety of plastics has led to the introduction of BPA- and phthalate-free plastic products. However, these solutions are flawed because BPA and phthalates are only a few of thousands of estrogenic chemicals, many hundreds of which are used in plastics and many more which are unintentional side products of plastics manufacturing. These synthetic estrogenic chemicals can leach into food and beverages, and eventually into the environment.
In fact, tests of BPA-free products have indicated that the large majority released other chemicals having very high levels of EA. For example, PlastiPure’s testing of fifteen premium-brand BPA-free baby bottles found that all tested positive for EA, with eight leaching chemicals with EA measuring at or above the EA of BPA-containing polycarbonate.

I'm surprised that you aren't aware of any of this?

So you didn't read the CRT paper before putting this on your company's page?

I note the careful placed reference to baby bottle in the above & saw that somebody found 12 references to baby bottle in your scientific paper - I did the analysis myself & found 37 references. A carefully orchestrated payload of emotional material in a scientific paper!
 
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John, I absolutely do not understand what you're talking about, but I suspect you don't, either.

The CRT paper (which you evidently didn't read but have cited several times- do you even have a copy?) has nothing to say about anything other than BPA. It is a review of regulatory recommendations (there are many such reviews, others come to different conclusions), which was not a topic of our paper. If you understood our paper (which you clearly don't), you would see that it concentrates on testing plastics which do not contain BPA (that's what "BPA-free" in the item you just quoted means), it does not review regulatory standards, so the conclusions of one particular review (not an experimental paper) among many regarding regulatory standards for BPA have nothing to do with our research.

Stick to Time, it's probably more useful for you. Reading journals articles means actually reading them (not drawing incorrect conclusions from abstracts) and having a basic background in the field so that you understand the terminology, the methods, and the context.
 
Pity you can't reply without ad-hominem attacks !

The CRT paper is referring to BPA & it's possible adverse health effects due to it's estrogenic activity (EA). The CRT paper is not denying that BPA has EA but finds a lack of estrogen-dependent effects on health.

Your paper's stated objective:
"To determine whether commercially available plastic resins and products, including baby bottles and other products advertised as BPA-free, release chemicals having EA."
So what! EA has no health issues at the doses mentioned.


Your paper's results state
"Almost all commercially available plastic products we sampled, independent of the type of resin, product, or retail source, leached chemicals having reliably-detectable EA, including those advertised as BPA-free. In some cases, BPA-free products released chemicals having more EA than BPA-containing products."
So what! Show how this effects health or it's of no consequence!

I'm afraid that your paper is light on objective science but heavy with inference & emotional baggage.
A perfect example of the subject of this thread
 
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John, you can say the same incorrect things again and again, but they're still incorrect. I assume you still haven't actually read the CRT paper to which you repeatedly refer? You don't understand the difference between BPA and EA, and you don't seem to grasp the basic science.

As I said, that's OK, scientific papers aren't intended to be understood by anyone regardless of their intellectual abilities and backgrounds. They are written for other scientists and intelligent non-specialists, and presuppose a basic background, understanding of common terminology and methods, and an ability to read fluently and with good comprehension. If you're actually interested in gaining enough of a background to understand the literature and be able to make informed critiques, I can certainly suggest some reading for you- I can't guarantee that you'll learn anything, but I can guarantee that without a basic background, your critiques will continue to be totally off point.

Of course, if your motivation is purely a personal grudge because I have refused to endorse the questionable hifi gadgets that you sell, then I don't think I can get past that emotional barrier to basic education.

EA has no health issues at the doses mentioned.

Apparently, the scientific community disagrees- this is one of the most active research areas in biology. The CRT paper you haven't read doesn't say this anywhere- nor would it, that's a meaningless sentence.
 
John, you can say the same incorrect things again and again, but they're still incorrect. I assume you still haven't actually read the CRT paper to which you repeatedly refer? You don't understand the difference between BPA and EA, and you don't seem to grasp the basic science.
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So please enlighten everyone here as to the difference BPA & EA & how I'm wrong!
 
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Apparently, the scientific community disagrees- this is one of the most active research areas in biology. The CRT paper you haven't read doesn't say this anywhere.

Of course there's lots of research in this area - as you are demonstrating with PlastiPure & CertiChem - it's a highly lucrative area as is all science that instills irrational fear in the public. You can then witness the phenomena of people trying to sue over BPA in consumer products.

Just do a search for "sue over BPA" - mostly women who are suing! See a pattern here? (Baby bottles!)
 
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