I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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So,you sell people what they want,although you may not agree with their taste,right?
Most people prefer a standard house curve, as it costs a lot more to go the other route because tends to be a lot more time intensive. However I've helped design rooms that have ridiculous reverb and excessive bass, even down to reinforcing the walls to reduce structural dampening of the low end. However before you try and draw a parallel to speaker wire I'd like to once again point out there is a tangible difference.

I've noticed even before I start any actual tuning, when I'm just testing the hardware I've had people say things like "I can already hear the difference". It would be very easy for me to walk in, make no important changes and walk away with them hearing deeper bass, cleaner mids and crystal clear highs. If it wasn't for the before and after printout I could likely get away with it too. Does that sound shady to you? It should, because that's what speaker wire companies and hack products like clips and rocks and god only knows what else do on a daily basis, most of time for a lot more money than I charge. You can't compare personal preference for products that produce different outputs and products that produce near identical results.
 
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Hi,

Again, you are so STUCK with the idea that measurements provide the only truth, that you are letting it influence your thinking.. and your whole way of being.
This almost certainly stops you from hearing differences that may actually be there. Pity really.

We have this saying:

L'avantage d'être intelligent, c'est qu'on peut toujours faire l'imbécile alors que l'inverse est totalement impossible

No comment....:D

Cheers, ;)
 
Most people prefer a standard house curve, as it costs a lot more to go the other route because tends to be a lot more time intensive. However I've helped design rooms that have ridiculous reverb and excessive bass, even down to reinforcing the walls to reduce structural dampening of the low end. However before you try and draw a parallel to speaker wire I'd like to once again point out there is a tangible difference.

I've noticed even before I start any actual tuning, when I'm just testing the hardware I've had people say things like "I can already hear the difference". It would be very easy for me to walk in, make no important changes and walk away with them hearing deeper bass, cleaner mids and crystal clear highs. If it wasn't for the before and after printout I could likely get away with it too. Does that sound shady to you? It should, because that's what speaker wire companies and hack products like clips and rocks and god only knows what else do on a daily basis, most of time for a lot more money than I charge. You can't compare personal preference for products that produce different outputs and products that produce near identical results.

I asked you not because I was ready to draw a parallel to any wire.Only to point out that a professional-yourself included- can serve and satisfy his customers eventhough he may not agree with their choices.You don't feel like a charlatan right?IMO you shouldn't.As for pricing,I'm sure there are others who charge more and others who charge less than you do.This is busines.
 
I asked you not because I was ready to draw a parallel to any wire.Only to point out that a professional-yourself included- can serve and satisfy his customers eventhough he may not agree with their choices.You don't feel like a charlatan right?IMO you shouldn't.As for pricing,I'm sure there are others who charge more and others who charge less than you do.This is busines.
There's a difference, I don't disagree with their choices. If they like the way it sounds I not only agree with the choice, I'll go the extra mile to make sure I get it as close to perfect for them as I can. I just don't appreciate the results the same way they would. I would feel like a scum bag if I honestly thought I was doing nothing of value. On a couple occasions I've gone to calibrate a setup that didn't have much wiggle room, they didn't have any room treatment and their hardware didn't allow for a high degree of calibration. I could of charged them for the full service, but instead I told them a basic calibration for a 5th of the cost was the most I'd be able to offer because I don't like the idea of charging for something that offered no benefit. Would they of thought the setup sounded drastically different if I had charged them more? Maybe. Would that of been worth it? Never.
 
There's a difference, I don't disagree with their choices. If they like the way it sounds I not only agree with the choice, I'll go the extra mile to make sure I get it as close to perfect for them as I can. I just don't appreciate the results the same way they would. I would feel like a scum bag if I honestly thought I was doing nothing of value. On a couple occasions I've gone to calibrate a setup that didn't have much wiggle room, they didn't have any room treatment and their hardware didn't allow for a high degree of calibration. I could of charged them for the full service, but instead I told them a basic calibration for a 5th of the cost was the most I'd be able to offer because I don't like the idea of charging for something that offered no benefit. Would they of thought the setup sounded drastically different if I had charged them more? Maybe. Would that of been worth it? Never.

There is no difference.You do not disagree with their choices,but you may not agree with their taste either.In other words,you wouldn't calibrate your room to have a sound as some of your customers like.Good for you that you charge them the way you do.You'll be rewarded in the future:) and surely they will come back to you again when they need help.
 
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So what, I don't believe most of the stuff you are spewing, either. :cool:
Very little of what I've said requires belief. It's like saying you don't believe in Socrates, it doesn't matter because the content doesn't require it. Either way I'd prefer that you do your own research and not take the word of any stranger on the forum. Actually do some reading, find some peer reviewed journals, talk with some creditable sources. Google product bias or placebo effect, read about the Socratic method. If you think I'm full of it come prove me wrong, you couldn't make me happier.
 
There is no difference.You do not disagree with their choices,but you may not agree with their taste.In other words,you wouldn't calibrate your room to have a sound as some of your customers like.Good for you that you charge them the way you do.You'll be rewarded in the future:) and surely they will come back to you again when they need help.
Thanks, I hope so I've been broke as a joke lately. Dropping a lot of money on a new raid array for my work computer. Calibration isn't a job for people who like money, lol. I do programming to pay the bills and school.
 
Very little of what I've said requires belief. It's like saying you don't believe in Socrates, it doesn't matter because the content doesn't require it. Either way I'd prefer that you do your own research and not take the word of any stranger on the forum. Actually do some reading, find some peer reviewed journals, talk with some creditable sources. Google product bias or placebo effect, read about the Socratic method. If you think I'm full of it come prove me wrong, you couldn't make me happier.

Gees, just because its peer reviewed, doesn't make it "the truth" !

You have a lot to learn if you think that to be the case ! :eek:
 
Try to use your ears and compare a low cost pure silver wire you think is good to say an audionote silver one.You'll agree there is no need for any measure of evidence.
Oops, totally missed your post. If it's so noticeable you should be able to pick something up with a calibration microphone. I actually wouldn't be shocked if super cheap wiring turned out to sound quieter, the same can be said for copper. If you wanted to do the recordings I'd even take a look at them if you wanted.

It is not my first one,but thanks anyway:eek: Perhaps it is a good idea to do that test yourself.
It depends on the journal, it depends on the content. I don't take theoretical physics publication as gospel, there's still too many proofs that have yet to be falsified and I'm still waiting on the higgs. With stuff like acoustics and product bias you're unlikely to find anything published that'll make any waves even in smaller journals (not that there are many acoustics journals to begin with). Anything published, even in less established ones, is still much more likely to be true than random people on a web forum with few if any backgrounds in the subject matter.

Alright, I'm out for today. Have fun boys and girls.
 
Oops, totally missed your post. If it's so noticeable you should be able to pick something up with a calibration microphone.



Say that again loud please.When I did pick up something from the speakers output using a calibrated microphone in a comparison of two power cables,some here were ready to shoot me.The measurements were taken by a friend EE who is designing and measuring his amplifiers for nearly 15 years now.Needless to say that for them,his measurements were fraud.So,for many here,whatever you do,or,don't do,it is always wrong:),or the person who takes the measurements is.....I don't know what:)
 
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