Really? No religion?
How do you explain Hendrix, then?
Do you want to talk about sound reproduction or about music?
What gave you the impression I would own a perfect system, perfect recordings or I would have perfect ears?
Your post #12356
That's a pretty bizarre chain of causation. Is that the kind of synergy you're talking about?
It's like watching a horror movie. Athough you know what will happen when the music suddenly stops, you get frightened.
I have said it. But it was beside my initial point. Simple stereo gives you about 60 - 70 degrees of clean controlled coverage. You can get localization up to around 180 degrees with simple stereo but it's not clean imho. It quickly can become artificial sounding, tinny etc.. when you stretch a conventional stereo image too far. I get 360 degrees of controlled clean perceptual coverage.
Anyway my initial point is just that everyone thinks they are right audiophool or guru alike.
NEway back to the cable junk I guess
Now if we only would know what "this thing" is...
You know that every sound manipulation that is based on HRTFs will not work for each and every user. HRTFs are highly individual. A better approach is Ambisonics or sourround sound. The latter even exists and there are also compatible recordings available
You know that every sound manipulation that is based on HRTFs will not work for each and every user. HRTFs are highly individual. A better approach is Ambisonics or sourround sound. The latter even exists and there are also compatible recordings available
I know boredom is what caused me to stop by. I'm getting outta here though. It was fun for a minute, but it's too much for me as it just shouldn't take this long to get a DBT done with willing participants.
I haven't seen any discussion about whether the source should be higher than the destination yet.
Maybe that accounts for the directionality of cables.........
DanNow if we only would know what "this thing" is...
You know that every sound manipulation that is based on HRTFs will not work for each and every user. HRTFs are highly individual. A better approach is Ambisonics or sourround sound. The latter even exists and there are also compatible recordings available
I am more interested in decoding real sounds than some arbitrary format. Why would you need HRTFs for surround sound? It is similar but I don't think it's the same thing. I have a hard time finding a recording that isn't compatible with my decoder to tell the truth. I didn't expect it to be that way going in to these experiments of course.
Well the signal chain in any event isn't that much different in terms of an end result if we are talking about stereo vs discrete multichannel. Generally with stereo it will be 2 track master>decoder>multichannel. With discrete it will be mic>decoder>multichannel or ambience>decoder> multichannel. There is always some psychoacoustic mucking about no matter how you look at it imho. It's just the way I see mixers and listeners getting the best results. It will be much easier to hit you guys with the specifics all at once and I will. Then you can have a go at me, but we are really off topic and I'm afraid the Canadian will be along anytime now with his hockey stick to tell us to wrap up our verbal diarrhea for the day.
12,000+ posts. Wow.
I started out with cables. Just playing around, making my own and listening to the differences.
Do cables influence the sound? Yes.
Can we hear the difference? Yes.
Does it, in the grand scheme of things, matter? Not really, but some people are inclined to make it matter.
Should expensive cables sound better than cheap ones? Nothing in my experience has ever suggested that expensive, complex and/or exotic cables must a priori sound better than very simple, common or ordinary ones. They may or may not. They will sound different and that difference may be relatively unusual or difficult to obtain, and people may value it, but that's not the same thing as being good because it's expensive.
Nothing has suggested that it is possible to "engineer" a cable to sound a certain way, though materials, dielectrics in particular, do have a sound that is relatively consistent between uses, making selection a reasonably coherent exercise. While it may seem like pseudoscience and gimmickry, the companies that do know their stuff can make some really nice products. Others will simply take your money and sell you hook-up cable wrapped around garden hose.
There came a day for me when it all ceased to matter. Part of this was being able to build the circuits myself, so fretting over the connecting wires seemed pointless. Part of this was LP, and seeing all the "worth" of cables and tweaking wiped out or doubled by a micron-scale adjustment in the stylus alignment. Once again fretting over the connecting wires seemed pointless.
It doesn't matter in the sense that I no longer worry about it, but I still spend money for nice cables. Yeah, I could use CAT5 or hook up wire or whatever, but I'm getting too old for screwing around with that stuff.
My favorite source:
oyaide
My speakers currently rock out with these puppies
SP1430-16TW
These guys have balls: asking $10/m for something that looks like the inner conductors from 16AWG power cord or worse. These will not impress your audiophile friends or even your mother. I have listened to 16AWG power cord though, and these sound absolutely nothing like. Most transparent, open speaker cables I've ever heard.
Their interconnects and, especially, low noise phono cable are equally nondescript and shockingly good.
Phono cable and interconnect
PA-2075
PA-02
There, some useful info for a change...
I started out with cables. Just playing around, making my own and listening to the differences.
Do cables influence the sound? Yes.
Can we hear the difference? Yes.
Does it, in the grand scheme of things, matter? Not really, but some people are inclined to make it matter.
Should expensive cables sound better than cheap ones? Nothing in my experience has ever suggested that expensive, complex and/or exotic cables must a priori sound better than very simple, common or ordinary ones. They may or may not. They will sound different and that difference may be relatively unusual or difficult to obtain, and people may value it, but that's not the same thing as being good because it's expensive.
Nothing has suggested that it is possible to "engineer" a cable to sound a certain way, though materials, dielectrics in particular, do have a sound that is relatively consistent between uses, making selection a reasonably coherent exercise. While it may seem like pseudoscience and gimmickry, the companies that do know their stuff can make some really nice products. Others will simply take your money and sell you hook-up cable wrapped around garden hose.
There came a day for me when it all ceased to matter. Part of this was being able to build the circuits myself, so fretting over the connecting wires seemed pointless. Part of this was LP, and seeing all the "worth" of cables and tweaking wiped out or doubled by a micron-scale adjustment in the stylus alignment. Once again fretting over the connecting wires seemed pointless.
It doesn't matter in the sense that I no longer worry about it, but I still spend money for nice cables. Yeah, I could use CAT5 or hook up wire or whatever, but I'm getting too old for screwing around with that stuff.
My favorite source:
oyaide
My speakers currently rock out with these puppies
SP1430-16TW
These guys have balls: asking $10/m for something that looks like the inner conductors from 16AWG power cord or worse. These will not impress your audiophile friends or even your mother. I have listened to 16AWG power cord though, and these sound absolutely nothing like. Most transparent, open speaker cables I've ever heard.
Their interconnects and, especially, low noise phono cable are equally nondescript and shockingly good.
Phono cable and interconnect
PA-2075
PA-02
There, some useful info for a change...
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A different set of answers:
1) if improperly made they could, but correctly done, no.
2) Not if they are properly engineered and fabricated.
3) Not even in the slightest.
Can an audible set of cables be made? Of course, its possible to badly engineer anything, including cables.
We once cut appart a mega-buck set of "Hi-End" Speaker cables with "terminal correction" circuitry. They had a cap and resistor across them. Could you "hear" these cables? Of course you could. Was it a scam? Of course it was.
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