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Old 22nd November 2019, 08:56 PM   #751
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The boards need their commands - no way out of that. I'm still pondering something like a Devialet table remote. Bluetooth. The level is set in steps of dB so thats your resolution. Balance could be made by an offset - but still in 1 dB steps.

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Old 22nd November 2019, 09:04 PM   #752
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One dB can be large for balance but one has to just have a drink or two and it no longer matters!

Audio and alcohol must always be enjoyed in tandem.

It would be instructive to give this a try and hear if it makes any important difference.

The rest of my system is dual mono so the temptation is there. Maybe next year ...
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Old 22nd November 2019, 09:51 PM   #753
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Thanks for this gem, have always ignored them but they're great for the odd laugh.

" The output is simple: there is no audible difference. There just isn't to my ears. "

So what do you find funny/outrageous about this opinion?
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Old 22nd November 2019, 11:01 PM   #754
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So what do you find funny/outrageous about this opinion?
Simply changing the filter changes the way the dam sounds, I can certainly tell the difference in each from the pack of 4 that I use, it couldn't possibly be the same sound as other DACs. Someone needs to measure music and compare the outputs for accuracy, not merely analyzing test tones.
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Old 22nd November 2019, 11:18 PM   #755
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Could one board have slightly different gain than the other making them impossible to match gains between both?
"Gain" is only determined by Vref. I don't see any issues sharing a single Vref among several boards.
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Old 23rd November 2019, 12:30 AM   #756
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"Gain" is only determined by Vref. I don't see any issues sharing a single Vref among several boards.
Vref set by 1% TL431 which mean <0.1dB signal level difference between boards. Of course typically better....
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Old 23rd November 2019, 12:34 AM   #757
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Simply changing the filter changes the way the dam sounds, I can certainly tell the difference in each from the pack of 4 that I use, it couldn't possibly be the same sound as other DACs. Someone needs to measure music and compare the outputs for accuracy, not merely analyzing test tones.
It's much faster and easier to just test using simple test tones, than to do comprehensive listening test....
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Old 23rd November 2019, 04:22 AM   #758
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Thanks for this gem, have always ignored them but they're great for the odd laugh.

" The output is simple: there is no audible difference. There just isn't to my ears. "

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Simply changing the filter changes the way the dam sounds, I can certainly tell the difference in each from the pack of 4 that I use, it couldn't possibly be the same sound as other DACs. Someone needs to measure music and compare the outputs for accuracy, not merely analyzing test tones.
I still don't understand what's funny/outrageous about an opinion?

Not saying that you are wrong and "ASR" is right (or the other way around). But is there any grounds for taking one statement over the other? BTW, about "ASR", I know a little about his work and career, about you (and the analog guy with the tongue sticking out), absolutely nothing. Guess who, lacking any direct evidence, inspires more trust.
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It is fascinating and more than a little ironic that so many people who choose to devote their time to audio measurements are completely lacking of even basic listening abilities.

But of course this does not make their pointlessly obsessive measurements any less pointless. The important thing is they inspire trust.

Why the sudden interest in this thread?

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It is fascinating and more than a little ironic that so many people who choose to devote their time to audio measurements are completely lacking of even basic listening abilities.

But of course this does not make their pointlessly obsessive measurements any less pointless. The important thing is they inspire trust.

Why the sudden interest in this thread?

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Says who?

Otherwise, good question. As you were, carry on and don’t forget to keep that tongue hanging out. It helps a lot making a point.
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