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Tranquility Bass 2nd October 2019 07:08 AM

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Omholt 2nd October 2019 12:59 PM

Wow. It's become a very expensive product. Especially considering it's direct sales and the use of a fairly simple chassis.

Tranquility Bass 2nd October 2019 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Omholt (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendor-s-bazaar/264743-hi-dsp-based-multi-channel-integrated-preamp-crossover-dac-project-post5932041.html#post5932041)
Wow. It's become a very expensive product. Especially considering it's direct sales and the use of a fairly simple chassis.

And quite a few people have said that I was selling it to cheaply the last time so I guess you can't please everyone. :goodbad: People make the mistake of looking at the hardware content only and equating it with some nickel and dime product that people struggle with to make work properly, but the real secret sauce is truly in the firmware that runs on it and how it all hangs together. I've put countless time and effort into it to get it to this point so it's up to people whether or not they want to see this product brought to fruition. I can't do anymore at this stage so it's over to you guys ;)
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cheers
david

mickiboi007 2nd October 2019 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Omholt (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendor-s-bazaar/264743-hi-dsp-based-multi-channel-integrated-preamp-crossover-dac-project-post5932041.html#post5932041)
Wow. It's become a very expensive product. Especially considering it's direct sales and the use of a fairly simple chassis.

I don't think that is fair assessment of the value packed inside. What you don't see is the thousands of hours of software and hardware development that has gone into making this. I think David should be paid (rewarded) for his efforts and the minimum number of units he has slated to build wont even cover his hours for the software alone. Many of the boards are hand finished.

I am one of those people who think that its a bit cheap as I know first hand what has gone into this. $3450 is not expensive considering this is a product that you will in all probability never replace as there isn't anything of this caliber to replace it with. The rest of the Audiophile world is many years behind this.

Like many sole operators building any type of equipment be it audio, remote control model electronics, whatever, this is a labor of love for the guys that put their time and effort into it. I for one are thankful David has put his love of audio into his products.

So to say that its expensive isn't really fair or very complementary for what has gone into it. It may be expensive to you, that's a fair statement as only you know that, but it's not an expensive product when you look at what you are really getting for the money.

Hydrogen Alex 2nd October 2019 04:46 PM

In my opinion....

This is a commercial venture not a DIY / group buy.

IF these two products were fully tested, certified and production ready (in stock and ready to ship) with several professional reviews based on beta test units which had been sent out 6 months prior to launch then $3,500 and $5,000 for the two versions is competitive with DEQX which I have used and rate it as good value for money.

BUT this is an unfinished speculative crowd funding offer where the early adopters are bank rolling the production of the beta testers ie they are the beta testers!

The only "fair" price for the Beta testers is parts cost plus shipping.....Many crowd funding deals offer loss leaders to get into Beta testing, not charge full RRP!
What happens if the Beta testers dont like the sound and / or there are tech / quality control issues?
What happens if David gets ill / has a change in personal circumstances / has change of heart / just decides to quit...?
There is going to be well over $50,000 of Beta testers money is his bank... I would advise commercial caution!

Any commercial return is only be due to any start up business if he / she has the skills AND resources to finish the R&D, fund the first production run / marketing and the customer support as there will be a LOT of hand holding plus tech issues and bugs....
Just because David has spent a long time on the software and is a really nice guy does not entitle him to special treatment... This is a business not a charity!

NATDBERG 2nd October 2019 11:10 PM

Haven't you made a big assumption that these costs would be the RRP should it be a commercial product?

Go have a look at Kickstarter .. see how people pay for pre-orders and how that works.

Of course there should be caveat emptor in any transaction, especially when it's a fair amount of money.

bkdog 2nd October 2019 11:10 PM

Vendor- yes it's in the vendor forum.

RRP for such a unit would be $6000-$7000.

I've been using the first UP for over 2 years now and there is indeed nothing else that works as well. I also paid up front and waited for delivery, it took a while but the service has been excellent.

But if you don't like it, or it's not for you, just ignore it.

Tranquility Bass 3rd October 2019 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hydrogen Alex (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendor-s-bazaar/264743-hi-dsp-based-multi-channel-integrated-preamp-crossover-dac-project-post5932249.html#post5932249)
In my opinion....

This is a commercial venture not a DIY / group buy.

IF these two products were fully tested, certified and production ready (in stock and ready to ship) with several professional reviews based on beta test units which had been sent out 6 months prior to launch then $3,500 and $5,000 for the two versions is competitive with DEQX which I have used and rate it as good value for money.

BUT this is an unfinished speculative crowd funding offer where the early adopters are bank rolling the production of the beta testers ie they are the beta testers!

The only "fair" price for the Beta testers is parts cost plus shipping.....Many crowd funding deals offer loss leaders to get into Beta testing, not charge full RRP!
What happens if the Beta testers dont like the sound and / or there are tech / quality control issues?
What happens if David gets ill / has a change in personal circumstances / has change of heart / just decides to quit...?
There is going to be well over $50,000 of Beta testers money is his bank... I would advise commercial caution!

Any commercial return is only be due to any start up business if he / she has the skills AND resources to finish the R&D, fund the first production run / marketing and the customer support as there will be a LOT of hand holding plus tech issues and bugs....
Just because David has spent a long time on the software and is a really nice guy does not entitle him to special treatment... This is a business not a charity!

that's why it is in vendors bazaar which is the topic of this forum. ie
"Vendor's Bazaar Commercial Vendors large & small hawking their wares".

And no one is bank rolling a purely speculative product that hasn't even been built yet like you see on kick starter etc. There are already a handful of existing preamps running out in the field for at least 18 months or more. The next generation of preamps on offer is built on this framework and the prototype is running out of an existing preamp design which is why I can make the claims on the website.

This is not some hare brain idea on kick starter that raises millions of dollars and ends up being impossible to build like many have been. I have spent countless hours on this which would easily equate to a million dollar project if it was taken on by a big design house and that's if they even have the skills to do a design using a DSP !

cheers
david

Hydrogen Alex 3rd October 2019 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bkdog (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendor-s-bazaar/264743-hi-dsp-based-multi-channel-integrated-preamp-crossover-dac-project-post5932572.html#post5932572)

RRP for such a unit would be $6000-$7000.

If its a $6,000 to $7,000 RRP then its dead in the water.... RME and Dolby Lake have killer pro solutions at these prices.

yoke 3rd October 2019 10:27 AM

I have one of first units, for last two years or so, and I'm happy with it :D

(whell mine state serial number 0001 :D)

And I have no plans for update :D


The only thing is that AudioWeaver is not that much user friendly as software from behringer DCX, miniDSP, Najda or hypex...but it's not a problem for me as long as it work and sound nice/great :)


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