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4th April 2014, 03:49 PM  #421 
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Here's the result for the 6P36S using Multisim:
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4th April 2014, 05:03 PM  #422 
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What is the Ug2 at upper plot ?

4th April 2014, 05:39 PM  #423 
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190  which the EL500 shows in their datasheet. Couldn't find the datasheet for the 6P36S owing to lack of cyrillic knowledge.

4th April 2014, 05:57 PM  #424 
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Many russian tube datasheets are available at klausmobile, including the 6P36S.

4th April 2014, 06:43 PM  #425 
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English version: http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/f...13/6/6P36S.pdf

4th April 2014, 07:42 PM  #426 
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Please help. I have Tina and I get an error "line 61: missing left parenthesis" in this 6N1P model:
Code:
* * Filename: 6N1P.inc V1 25/10/97 * Simulator: PSpice * Device type: Triode * Device model: Svetlana 6N1P * * Author: Duncan Munro * Date: 25/10/97 * Copyright: (C)19972000 Duncan Amplification * * Please note that this model is provided "as is" and * no warranty is provided in respect of its suitability * for any application. * * This model is provided for educational and nonprofit use. * * Email queries to postmaster@duncanamps.com * * Pins A Anode * G Grid * K Cathode * * .SUBCKT 6N1P A G K ************************************************************************ * * Anode model * * Models reduction in mu at large negative grid voltages * Models change in Ra with negative grid voltages * Models limit in Ia with high +Vg and low Va * * PARAMETERS * * LIP Conduction limit exponent * LIF Conduction limit factor * RAF Anode resistance factor for neg grid voltages * RAP Anode resistance factor for positive grid voltages * MU0 Mu between grid and anode at Vg=0 * MUR Mu reduction factor for large negative grid voltages * EMC Emission coefficient * GCF Grid current scale factor * ************************************************************************ .PARAM LIP 1 .PARAM LIF 1E3 .PARAM RAF 9E3 .PARAM RAP 4E3 .PARAM MU0 38 .PARAM MUR 19E3 .PARAM EMC 9.6E6 .PARAM GCF 213E6 Elim LI 0 VALUE {PWR(LIMIT{V(A,K),0,1E6},{LIP})*{LIF}} Erpf RP 0 VALUE {1+LIMIT{V(G,K),0,1E6}*{RAF}+LIMIT{V(G,K),0,1E6}*{RAP}} Egr GR 0 VALUE {LIMIT{V(G,K),0,1E6}+LIMIT{V(G,K)*(1+V(G,K)*{MUR}),0,1E6}} Eem EM 0 VALUE {LIMIT{V(A,K)*V(RP)+V(GR)*{MU0},0,1E6}} Eep EP 0 VALUE {PWR(V(EM),1.5)*{EMC}} Eel EL 0 VALUE {LIMIT{V(EP),0,V(LI)}} Eld LD 0 VALUE {LIMIT{V(EP)V(LI),0,1E6}} Ga A K VALUE {V(EL)} ************************************************************************ * * Grid current model * * Models grid current, along with rise in grid current at low Va * ************************************************************************ Egf GF 0 VALUE {PWR(LIMIT{V(G,K),0,1E6},1.5)*{GCF}} Gg G K VALUE {(V(GF)+V(LD))} * * Capacitances * Cgk G K 2.4p Cga A G 3.9p Cak A K 0.7p .ENDS
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4th April 2014, 08:28 PM  #428  
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Quote:
Code:
* * Generic triode model: 6N1P_AN * Copyright 20032008 by Ayumi Nakabayashi, All rights reserved. * Version 3.10, Generated on Sun Jan 12 18:59:00 2014 * Plate *  Grid *   Cathode *    .SUBCKT 6N1P_AN A G K BGG GG 0 V=V(G,K)+0.42063507 BM1 M1 0 V=(0.007566675*(URAMP(V(A,K))+1e10))**0.43818786 BM2 M2 0 V=(0.77391879*(URAMP(V(GG)+URAMP(V(A,K))/29.878541)+1e10))**1.9381879 BP P 0 V=0.0022884667*(URAMP(V(GG)+URAMP(V(A,K))/38.606817)+1e10)**1.5 BIK IK 0 V=U(V(GG))*V(P)+(1U(V(GG)))*0.0013346379*V(M1)*V(M2) BIG IG 0 V=0.0011442333*URAMP(V(G,K))**1.5*(URAMP(V(G,K))/(URAMP(V(A,K))+URAMP(V(G,K)))*1.2+0.4) BIAK A K I=URAMP(V(IK,IG)URAMP(V(IK,IG)(0.001233721*URAMP(V(A,K))**1.5)))+1e10*V(A,K) BIGK G K I=V(IG) * CAPS CGA G A 1.6p CGK G K 3.2p CAK A K 1.5p .ENDS
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4th April 2014, 08:32 PM  #429 
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Ah, the stupid SPICE syntax again... that one was for LTSpice, try the following one for TINA:
Code:
* * Generic triode model: 6N1P_AN * Copyright 20032008 by Ayumi Nakabayashi, All rights reserved. * Version 3.10, Generated on Sun Jan 12 18:59:00 2014 * Plate *  Grid *   Cathode *    .SUBCKT 6N1P_AN A G K .PARAM X1=0.42063507 X2=0.007566675 X3=0.43818786 .PARAM X4=0.77391879 X5=29.878541 X6=1.9381879 .PARAM X7=0.0022884667 X8=38.606817 X9=0.0013346379 .PARAM Y1=0.0011442333 Y2=0.001233721 BK IK 0 V=U(V(G,K)+X1)*X7*URAMP(V(G,K)+X1+URAMP(V(A,K))/X8)^1.5+(1U(V(G,K)+X1))*X9*(X2*URAMP(V(A,K)))^X3*(X4*URAMP(V(G,K)+X1+URAMP(V(A,K))/X5))^X6 BA A K I=URAMP((Y2*URAMP(V(A,K))^1.5)URAMP((Y2*URAMP(V(A,K))^1.5)V(IK)+Y1*URAMP(V(G,K))^1.5*(URAMP(V(G,K))/(URAMP(V(A,K))+URAMP(V(G,K)))*1.2+.4)))+1E10*V(A,K) BG G K I=Y1*URAMP(V(G,K))^1.5*(URAMP(V(G,K))/(URAMP(V(A,K))+URAMP(V(G,K)))*1.2+.4) * CAPS CGA G A 1.6p CGK G K 3.2p CAK A K 1.5p .ENDS 
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