300b

[luigilamarca]

Hi, blank to all,
there and difference of sound between WE 300b the new production and NOS we 300b
there is the someone that has made comparative tests reliable?
thanks luigi

 

[Mike C]

Hi,
I have never heard a NOS WE 300B so I cannot give a full answer.

However, I have new production WE 300Bs and can tell you that these are very, very good sounding valves and I personally can say that they are worth the money, to me.

They replace TJ mesh plate (high version) and the differences are clear, with WE's better in just about every way.

Hope this helps.

 

[luigilamarca]

ok

thanks for your answer.
Some persons say that recent 300b the WE are constructed in China and that the remarkable difference is regarding 300b the Nos.

thanks luigi

 

[dsavitsk]

Re: ok

Some persons say that recent 300b the WE are constructed in China

Not unless they moved Kansas City: http://www.tubedepot.com/westrex1.html

 

[tomtt]

Re: Re: ok

Not unless they moved Kansas City

Charles Whitener left town...

took his stuff with him-


http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_95200.asp
10/23/2006 - Westrex Corporation Chooses Chattanooga For $12.4 Million Investment - Breaking News - Chattanoogan.com



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[luigilamarca]

..sure ...Not unless they moved Kansas City,

but why the old 300b nos sound better the 300b recently ?

 

[zarniwoop]

but the real question

are the WE better enough to justify the hugely multiplied cost.

from the reviews i've seen, there are some russian & chinese ones that are comparable at a reasonable price.

 

[luigilamarca]

re-300b

the real issue IS also:
if the WE300b new are made equal the old ones 300bWE
Why they play differently?
and why there is satisfied people that 3.000.euro for one pair of WE300b of 1950?

 

[Klimon]

and why there is satisfied people that 3.000.euro for one pair of WE300b of 1950?

Hype and self-delusion?

 

[SY]

And collector/prestige value. There's no output tube in that dissipation range in the history of tube manufacture worth that kind of money from an electrical standpoint. Sociology and psychology are different questions and that's well beyond my feeble understanding.

 

[kmtang]

I would say cost wasn't an issue in the old days. Today, the business people count every fraction of the penny. We have so many managers, vice presidents, and accountant to check our works/output every day.

In those day, quality was the major concern but today it is the pricing.

That really makes a lot of differences.


Johnny

 

[luigilamarca]

thanks for all replay, but ........
is someone to the world that has made a real comparative test on amplificator the two we 300b new and we 300 nos ?
I pray there you say what you have felt to us ?
thanks

 

[EZ_Angus]

check it out!

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1201/300b/

 

[SY]

I would say cost wasn't an issue in the old days.

Yes it was. I'm an old guy and I remember well.

 

[jlsem]

Some persons say that recent 300b the WE are constructed in China and that the remarkable difference is regarding 300b the Nos.

They are now made in Arkansas. The quality is still high and the prices are somewhat reduced.

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazi...ment/1201/300b/

I'm not sure I'd trust any comparisons made with that rig.

why there is satisfied people that 3.000.euro for one pair of WE300b of 1950?

Generally, for those people that kind of money isn't a lot for an incomparably made tube that could well give up to 20,000 hours of service and the nature of the market proves that they are probably the best there are. Passing it off as hype, self-delusion, or prestige-seeking contributes nothing to the discussion.

 

[SY]

Passing it off as hype, self-delusion, or prestige-seeking contributes nothing to the discussion.

...other than a dose of reality. I'll eat those words if someone has done *controlled* tests showing otherwise.

 

[jlsem]

I'll eat those words if someone has done *controlled* tests showing otherwise.

Any meaningful kind of controlled testing would be prohibitively expensive. It certainly wouldn't be worth the time and money just to obtain the privilege of calling someone else a fool.

John

 

[SY]

Well, I've seen so-called comparisons of various types done with no control (I think that Thorsten Loesch has published at least one)- a controlled test is no more expensive, but of course, it doesn't necessarily give the desired outcome...

 

[jlsem]

Well, I've seen so-called comparisons of various types done with no control (I think that Thorsten Loesch has published at least one)- a controlled test is no more expensive, but of course, it doesn't necessarily give the desired outcome...

I've never, ever seen any acceptable hi-fi music-related scientifically-controlled test. By acceptable, I mean one that would pass a peer review for being statistically relevent. Every "test" I've ever seen, whether it favors an "audiophool's" outlook or that of the "scientist/engineer", has only amounted to an opinion fest that wouldn't even pass Al Gore's standard for science.

John

 

[arnoldc]

I had the opportunity to listen to 50's WE 300B (my friend has a hoard), new production WE 300B, and generic chinese - on the same amp, on the same setup.

While there is audible differences favoring the 50's 300B, I won't, being a cheapskate, "invest" on a 50's one. For the new production WE 300B, I wouldn't really care, and I'll stick to my generic chinese (this is an OLD chinese 300B). But that doesn'tmean the new production WE 300B isn't better than this chinese 300B.