Tinnitus... anyone else got it?

Hmmmmm ya have to mix with water to make it easier to drink??

I have MMS and it doesnt touch the tinnitus I have so it must not be a pathagon causing it....

Yes

Many have undigested food stuck to their intestines. A periodic laxative will keep it clean and also improve health.

Just a thought
Has anybody tried Tangy Tangerine...

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Some meds also contribute to increased ringing in the ears, like asprin.

A most necessary warning for all audiophiles: Tinnitus has different causes and also has different conditions that aggravate it. What is more: It can be variable, both in character and in intensity. There are both intermittent episodes of tinnitus, and the dreaded permanent and irreversible one, and even then, it can get worse at times, and appear to recede (partially) at other times. and still worse, there are no definitive and effective cures.

Speaking of the constant tinnitus, there are many over the counter and prescription "medicines" that can make it worse, because those have sizable potential for damaging the hearing... It is something curious that many Medicine Doctors seem to be so relaxed in respect to hearing conservation, as many of them prescribe so many Oto-Toxic substances with so much levity: they continue to frequently prescribe antibiotics such as aminoglycosides, long regarded to pose a high risk of damaging to the inner ear...

Now, when the medication is sold over the counter, like the seemingly innocuous Aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid), most people are unaware of its possible damaging effects to the ear. For example: people with heart attack risk can be prescribed to take a low daily dose of Aspirin as a preventative anticlotting drug (to inhibit plaquet aggregation), but there are better (and only slightly costlier drugs) available, that have lesser risk for the hearing, like PLAVIX, sold under many other commercial names. Some exceptions could apply, like when a patient has a high risk of heart infarction, and is treated with both aspirin AND Plavix at the same time.

Even when Aspirin is correctly prescribed in some cases, it must be known that it is not as innocuous as the makers seem to try to show. In my own case, aspirin produces augmented levels of perceived Tinnitus; I've checked that many times myself, as I was left with a severe tinnitus in both ears, and an almost 100% deaf right side ear. -End of my humble recommendation for audiophiles about Aspirin and aminoglucoside Antibiotics.- Now, if you care to follow my own sad case, continue reading.

In february 2014 I was struck with something called "Unilateral Sudden Sensory Neural Hearing Loss", or SSNHL, unilateral. That is the reason for being away from this forum since 2014. My case was quite sudden (the whole episode lasted about 20 seconds, probably less, but the condition is permanent). It was quite severe (initial audiometry revealed a profound hearing loss, around -70 to -90 dB, today it is closer to -100 dB), and proved to be sharp and irrecuperable. This type of hearing loss is rare, but not as rare as many doctors believe. For me, it meant not being able to perceive one of my favorite and most valued characteristics of a good stereo equipment: that (for me at least) almost magical illusion of a precise Stereo "image", as I completely lost ALL stereophonic perception. In less than 20 seconds, my cherished music, my love for good sound reproduction and my enjoyment of my own (or ANY) equipment and live music were gone, most possibly forever. Medical hearing specialists only took my money, but gave me not the least bit of help. One of them went to the lenght of applying me five Trans-Tympanic steroid injections, directly into my middle ear through my right side Tympanic membrane, and that, even combined with heavy daily doses of oral taken steroids (cortisone) for several months, did not help at all. They ordered many expensive tests (Tomography, Magnetic Resonance scans, Ultrasonic examinations, and a battery of costly highly specialized acoustic neural tests, like Tympanometry, Evoked Neural responses, and several others; and those only served to conveniently filling the wallet of the recommended audiologist aplying the test: it was a bad joke to take hundreds of pages with the reports of my tests to the main expert, and then see that doctor only reading a very short and succint paragraph on the first page, and not even taking a brief look at any other contents of those hundreds of pages full of graphs, quite insulting for me as a patient. The fact that from the eight (yes, 8) highly regarded medical Hearing Specialists that I consulted, those eight ended up divided in exact four groups of two each, the first couple of them blaming my right ear hearing loss to "vascular cause" (an infarct to the ear), the second pair blaming it to a rare "autoimmune disease"... the third pair of them blaming it to an infection, either from viral or bacterial origin, and finally the last couple got arguing if it was a combination of "any" possible combination of two of those "factors", just confirmed me that all of them had no clue at all, but happily applied their fees! The last one even tried to coerce me into buying what is called "BAHA" (Bone Anchored Hearing Apparatus) that consists of a hearing aid that senses the sound and vibrates a transductor that is physically held on a titanium bolt that is surgically screwed into the skull bone, and transmitts the sound as vibrations to the other, still hearing ear (but does NOT restore ANY stereophonic perception at all), and insisted by saying that I "had to decide soon, in a short time, as it was somehow better for my adaptation (!)... in reality, they knew that if not convinced soon, the patient can investigate and decide it is expensive and of little value, because it WON'T return ANY stereo perception, and will only reduce Somewhat the shadowing effect of the head, but nothing more. The patient wallet will be lightened considerably too, requiring some surgery, more tests, and that kind of expenses... Sorry to appear to be highly dissatisfied with all the Oto-Neurologists, Neuro-Otologists, and Otorhinolaryngologists that I visited and were happy to take my case in their hands, but the worst of it was that the very same day this losshappened to me, when I was returning to my desk at our offices on the fourth floor of the building, just as I allowed myself to drop on my chair to take some breath, I suddenly "heard" a loud, quite loud low frequency Hum, that appeared to rise in both ears, but was clearly localized Inside my head... after some 10 to 20 seconds of perplexity because of this never experienced before episode, the loud hum appeared to recede, leaving both a louder "hissing" on my right ear, and of a lower intensity hissing on the left side, but touching with my hand my right pinna (the external, visible part of the "ear") lacked almost ANY sound... Terrifyingly, I realized that I was "almost deaf" on my right side. Immediately, I started calling my internist, and as too many times, he was not available, so his secretary gave me the phome numbers of a "good" Otorhinolaryngologist known by my internist. As it again frequently happens, that gentleman was not there, and his "helpful" helper gave me an Appointment for another day... as I objected, perceiving the urgency of such a deep and sudden hearing loss, she accepted and conceded me an appointment that same day, that happened to be until four full hours later... That Otorhinolaryngologist made me wait another houruntil he finished with another patient. In total, I had to wait five full hours to start to be asked about what had happened to me. During the last hour of wait, I started to feel some dizziness (vertigo) even when seated, and urged the secretary to tell the doctor that my condition was quickly deteriorating, to no avail; as she decided that she could not risk being reprimanded for interrupting his boss. At last, I entered his office and he started a long and calm interrogatory, and when I had to told him that I was worsening at that very same moment, he reacted as I was "too nervous" and needed to be "calm"... seeing my diziness, he ordered me to lay down with my head hanging to the affected side, placing lower than the rest of the body, to somehow improve the blood irrigation, or to cause the ear balance mechanism to improve, which it partially did. He prescribed me a fast-acting injection of cortisone, Intramuscular. But as he didn't have it, I was sent to buy it at a pharmacy, and then had to go all the way to my home to ask my wife to inject me, which took another hour and a half...

One thing that really bothered me, was that this doctor did not accept my detailed description of my own hearing loss... as Audiophiles, most of us at this forum have a GOOD IDEA of loudness, and can give a reliable idea of how many decibels a change in sound intensity can appear, even without any test or SPL meter at hand... In my own case, I started building seaker systems since the second half of the 1960's, and built and installed about a hundred of them during the 70's during my university years, studying Engineering (not Audio, but Chemical Engineering), and enjoyed live music recording too. The bad and sad joke about my case, is that immediately after arranging for that first medical appointment, it took me about four or five minutes to CORRECTLY SELF DIAGNOSE MYSELF, thanks to Internet and my understanding of English (not my native language)... and that, instead of believing me and looking at the several Academic quality papers that I had printed while waiting for his appointment, made him believe he was facing a panic-stricken patient, and myopically disregarded my own precise description. He was stubborn and fixated in sending me to the Audiologist at the same building, which had already left at that time, so I had to wait and return by next day at noon time to have the hearing test prescribed by him; a common Pure Tone Hearing Test, which happened to be well within my own perceived and accurately described loss! Just leaving the audiologist cabinet, I waited for the Otorhinolaryngologist as i was already at the same building, but as you may guess: He wansn't going that day (friday), So i left a copy if the test at his office and left the building. Some time later, he called me and left a voice message saying: "Hey, I'm looking at your results, and it is quite serious" and adding: "No problem, I can see you on next monday"...

Stunned, I decided to leave and search for another, more responsive and interested specialist, but lost the opportunity of sending him to hell for his unprofessional lack of care. That same day, I found a "Neuro-Otologist", which appeared at least from his credentials, to be more specialized on Sudden Hearing Loss. He offered me to go to the drastic trans-tympanic injections, and injected a first dose of cortisone into my ear that same afternoon. His method consisted of five injections, one a day. BUT, as a fine example of a self highly-regarded medical specialist, he applied the second one on the following day (saturday) but refused to go to his office to apply the third one on sunday, not for any religious objection, but simply because he had to "rest" at his home... So I had to leave the following injection until following monday, and sunday went for me without the supossedly needed continuity. As it happened, the five cortisone tras-tympanic injections did nothing. Again, my careful description of my hearing loss (and its lack of the slightest degree of improvement) went discarded by this second doctor, who demanded another Pure Tone Hearing test, but this time he specified his own recommended Hearing Health professional for the test... Not to make it longer, let me say that I was successively sent to other several specialists, including a Neurologist, a "Neuro-Otologist (aparently they are divided into two separate named specialists: those self called "Neuro-otologists", and those that demand to be called "Oto-Neurologists"... Go figure!

In the end, I lost my right ear, and my wallet lost a not small amount for no results at all, other than an interesting set of four different and contrsdictory possible causes: like if four separate experts pointed, one pair to the North, another two pointed to the South, two more pointed to the East, and another two said it was to the West. Wikipedia gave me a much more direct and free "answer": "Idiopathic Hearing Loss", that perfectly describes a condition that no one can find a cause...

And while I will not heal my one side deafness ever, at least I have slowly started to listen to music again. At first, it was kind of painful, not physical pain, but a more serious one; being affected with profound (>90dB loss at medium and high frequencies, about 70 dB at low freq.) on my right side ear, and a perceived LOUD hissing of about 60 dB being generated in my own brain on my right side, and somewaht lower on my left side. The profund loss of hearing on my right side ear is what makes that side Tinnitus seem very loud, because my ear is dead on that side, thus the neurones that do not receive any signal, produce electrical discharges, that by the many thousands, are perceived like a kind of white noise, or in between pink and white noise... But as much as I try, for me it will never be the same. And it was not because of high noise levels, as I cared for and used ear plugs in noisy envirnments, and took care not to exceed music volume too. As Wikipedia puts it, it was simply "Idiophatic".
 
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I feel your pain. I wish you luck in your search for answers, but I've come to the conclusion that most of the experts aren't that at all. It's not helped by it being viewed as exclusively a problem of the elderly, and therefore 'not worth the effort'.

I'm currently trying to get anyone to take any notice of my unilateral tinnitus that I've had for two years. I explain the symptoms, but from follow up questions it's obvious there's a 'check list' and anything that falls out of bounds is ignored.

Mine started overnight, I went from nothing to a loud 6-8kHz whistle that's intermittent, modulated by physical activity and mostly synchs with my pulse. I also have some pain in the RHS of my face that started at the same time, and has persisted along with the tinnitus, but, I've been told, cannot possibly be related to it.

As I pointed out to a therapist, if you have something generating signals on the auditory nerve it's going to be perceived as sound regardless of origin. I'm still trying to get an MRI of my neck and jaw to eliminate anything pinching or stressing a nerve close to the auditory nerve. IMO there's a possibility of something like sciatica.

Oh, Ibuprofen actually helps to reduce the incidence of 'bad ear' days as well as the intensity of the noise which, to me, means there's inflammation of some sort.
 
My tinnitus is bad enough I sleep with the television on to cover it up. It kind of sounds like an old TV missing horizontal sync.

That's the blighter - I blame the old monitor CRTs ;) I could hear if the school computer lab door was open and if the monitors were on from the bottom of the stairs.

Now if I watch the TV with the Mrs I'm always saying to turn it down. It's not easy as the TV channels keep changing the volume and advert sound levels to keep making you turn it up. 7 on the dial is plenty loud enough. She speaks with her mother and the FaceTime is so loud it hurts. She says she's not deaf.. I think the opposite.
 
Ya my father worked in a loud "computer room" during the 70's to the 2000's. He shouts at all times without realizing it. We did a crude HF test, I topped out around 12 1/2 kHz, my dad can't hear much over 8kHz now, and he couldn't really notice the difference when I played the sound on speakers with blown tweeters.

Here, the government put an end to commercials that are louder than the program. Watching American TV OTA it seems like the ads are +6db over the rest of the show.
 
I'm sorry to read of your hearing problems, and the expensive mumbo-jumbo the "experts" gave you. Trying to get an MRI reminded me of my neck problems. In the 90s,I tripped over a low-lying beam at work, landing hard on my outstretched hands. My hands stung for 2 weeks and my thumbs hurt like hell, so I went to an orthopedist, who wanted to fuse my thumbs! Long story short, I went seeking a 2nd opinion, and I ended up having both elbows operated on, then my left shoulder once and my right shoulder 3 times. Each time I kept asking if the Dr thought it could be my neck. No one even got an x-ray of my neck. 4 years and 5 operations later, one day when my right shoulder was hurting (again!), I happened to rub my neck. The pain in my shoulder stopped! I then finally got an MRI, which showed that C3-7 were all messed up. 15+ years later, after going round and round with many "specialists", I finally got C3-5 fused, and am looking at getting C5-7 done soon, as I am still having problems. Luckily, I have VA and Medicare, so my medical bills are all paid, but I have had well over $1/2 million worth of operations, tests and physical therapy. Just the neck fusion was $256,000!
I just went through a series of VA-sponsored appointments last week, seeking to have my military disability rating increased. One of the areas is my tinnitus. I have permanent loud sine-wave hissing in both ears as a result of working on the flight-line when one or more F-15's were suddenly being run up next to the bird I was working on, not having time to put my earplugs in before the engines were revved up. My tinnitus is the same sound that the F-15 engine makes, 7460Hz. I cannot hear anything above 8kHz. When I went for the tinnitus test, the tester only confirmed that I had worked on the flight-line, then did a hearing test in which I was asked to repeat words spoken to me through headphones. I can only hope that the test was testing for hearing interference the tinnitus makes. I could not understand probably a 1/4 of the words in the test. My tinnitus prevents falling asleep at night many times, and my great stereo is half useless, as all HF sounds are gone, and the hissing masks so much of what is put out by the speakers. I too am a lover of good music, and it is with great dismay I face the future with my tinnitus. The "presence" in the music is gone, and conversations mean saying many times, "What did you say""
 
I listened to big ear covering headphones for some time and I found my eardrum is creating noise a few times. My ears are 62 yrs old and won't listen to these by closing on the ears.

gajanan phadte

NB: Any of you consulted John Bergman or some good chiropractor
 
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The more silent the background the more annoying my tinnitus.
It's also worse when I begin to take notice of it.

Best advice is to mentally ignore it, if possible.

One question I have though:

I wonder if constant ultrasounds in the background (for me anything above 15kHz..) would be adding to the damage.

Starting thinking about it, since I'm now listening through an NOS DAC that passes noise above 20kHz (?).
My headphones extend to 30kHz or so.

Maybe I should add a low pass filter to remove stuff above 20kHz just to be on the safe side??
 
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I am being evaluated right now for an increased VA disability rating, due to my tinnitus. My tinnitus frequency is at about 7.5kHz, the sound of an F-15 jet engine at idle. The tinnitus interferes with the understanding of normal speech, too. The way they tested me was to play a tape through headphones to me. On the tape was a phrase that in the middle had a different word, spoken in a normal tone and cadence, and I was to repeat the word to them. I could only understand about 2/3 of the words. My advice on the earphones, and on frequencies you are exposed to in general is this: If you don't need to hear it, don't. The ultra-high frequencies are not doing you any good, and they might be damaging you, so don't run the risk. Ear protectors are your friends. I don't hear above 8kHz, so I don't have my sound system set to play those frequencies. As it is, I cannot hear escaping air, insects, some car sounds, etc, so I am limited in responding to my environment.
 
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Having a tinnitus myself (although nowhere near jaxboys), I‘d also recommend to cut HF above what you can hear.
OTOH, I believe that hearing-damages are due to loud or very loud surroundings, as well as other causes like illnesses or some forms of circulatory disorders…
My doc told me to get some gingko-medicine (don’t recall the name) and someone recommended „cod liver oil?“… FWIW…
 
The more silent the background the more annoying my tinnitus.
It's also worse when I begin to take notice of it.

Best advice is to mentally ignore it, if possible.

One question I have though:

I wonder if constant ultrasounds in the background (for me anything above 15kHz..) would be adding to the damage.

Starting thinking about it, since I'm now listening through an NOS DAC that passes noise above 20kHz (?).
My headphones extend to 30kHz or so.

Maybe I should add a low pass filter to remove stuff above 20kHz just to be on the safe side??

My tinnitus seems to get worse when exposed to loud noises - in SPL terms, not necessarily loud as perceived. So this would include low bass and high frequencies beyond my (admittedly low) upper limit.
 
Hey all...

I have tinnitus in my right ear from a few mistakes I made (turning on equipment during a mixing session without realizing a mic was on and turning on guitar amps with the volume all the way up.)

Yeah, I'm an idiot, and I'm only 18.
So basically I was wondering if there were any other people here with hearing disabilities and if they've learned to enjoy being an audiophile without becoming to self-aware of their hearing problems.

I'm just beginning to be an audiophile and I've noticed that I can hear the ringing in my ear more than ever after I listen to a really good pair of headphones.

Thanks,
rob

There are a lot of nuances first of all is your tinnitus permanent
does it depend of something
does it cause a headache
but if you are 18 I don't think it's a serious problem maybe do an ear doctor appointment
 
Yeah, I'm an idiot, and I'm only 18.

You joined the forum when you were one year old?

If you have ringing in your ears after listening to headphones, you have it cranked up too high. When you have it up because it sounds good, mute it for 10 seconds, and when you turn it back on it will seem loud. Just learn to listen at lower SPL and don't be like me and try to mask the noise of a subway train with SPL.
 
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Mine isn't related to sound at all, but only to movement and tension of the muscles in my shoulders and neck. It's in one ear, intermittent and very loud. If I lay on my right side it falls away to almost nothing. If I lay on my back it gets very loud. Laying on my left, it's louder than on my right but much lower than when on my back.

Turning from one side to the other causes it to become very loud and then to gradually decline over about 5-10 minutes. As the night goes on it declines less each time I turn. If I have a disturbed night I can have very loud tinnitus for a couple of days. If it's a peaceful night the tinnitus can fade to nothing within half an hour of getting up.

Taking >=800mg Ibuprofen daily lessens bad periods of it and increases the chances of it just going away.

The medical profession has, to date, utterly refused to engage with this. So far the best I've managed to get are mindfulness exercises and so called experts telling me that the brain is mysterious. Like it's some sort of capricious god.
 
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Fairly. I have recurrent sciatica and torn knee cartilages. I take NSAIDS to help with those when they're bad. At first I thought the improvement in tinnitus was due to meds I'd been prescribed, but ran out while in Spain and wasn't able to get a resupply.

But tinnitus continued to be reduced. Then realised it was periods when I was taking NSAIDS. Have experimented since, taking and not taking and found that there's an effect that is not explicable by placebo.

I'm not saying it's for everyone. But I've come to believe I have physical injury causing the problems I have. MRI has eliminated Schwann cell tumor, brain injury, damage to any part of ear.

There's more, but was trying to keep things short and sweet....