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If it's purely an engineering challenge why bother designing yet another DAC?
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Old 21st April 2020, 08:42 PM   #1601
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So, when you were twiddling the phase knob what was the smallest shift you could perceive?
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Old 21st April 2020, 08:48 PM   #1602
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to tell you the truth I did it all by ear and really have no idea, but a little went a long way.
I have a much better understanding now (it's probably been 15 yrs since I last recorded anything) and plan to get back tuit one of these days.
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Old 21st April 2020, 09:17 PM   #1603
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Interesting article that popped up today, perhaps has something to do with matters of aural perception.
Yes, interesting. One quote from the end of the article, "Even if he is not lying to you, he may be deceiving both you and himself."

As I said to Mr. Wurcer earlier, I would not be quick to call someone a liar. There are usually plenty of possible explanations for behaviors, no need to stop at the one called 'liar' simply because the message heard from the person was disliked. Dislike does not make something true or false, it should be removed from influencing analysis if one is at all able to do so. In fact, very often is impossible to reach a certain conclusion because there are so many possibilities. One must learn to live with uncertainties.

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Old 21st April 2020, 09:22 PM   #1604
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So, when you were twiddling the phase knob what was the smallest shift you could perceive?
That would be telling.
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Old 21st April 2020, 11:14 PM   #1605
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Interesting article that popped up today, perhaps has something to do with matters of aural perception.

Living a Lie: We Deceive Ourselves to Better Deceive Others

So this is apparently as natural as the capacity for being deluded into thinking, feeling, hearing... What a mess. Build the whole receiver with "audiophile" solder and it sounds better than the same one built with ordinary solder. That may be, but how to separate out what someone is trying to convince you of? Measurement is one tool, albeit insensitive beyond some point to such things.
Who really needs truth in the first place. Cypher from the Matrix seems to have had it right:

You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put this into my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize....Ignorance is bliss. (though the question remains of sustainability... otherwise?).
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Old 21st April 2020, 11:20 PM   #1606
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Yes, interesting. One quote from the end of the article, "Even if he is not lying to you, he may be deceiving both you and himself."

As I said to Mr. Wurcer earlier, I would not be quick to call someone a liar. There are usually plenty of possible explanations for behaviors, no need to stop at the one called 'liar' simply because the message heard from the person was disliked.
I was hesitant to post the link, as I didnt like the clickbait title of it. I was far more interested in the "this is what people ordinarily do" aspect; sell their self-coached perception to others. Combine that with plenty of receiving ears for such, possibly a good chunk of whom may be open to delusion via carelessness, it's easy to grasp how solid mahogany cable lifters could be sold as a "valuable" accessory.
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Old 22nd April 2020, 12:29 AM   #1607
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Who really needs truth in the first place.
Good question. Evolution isn't about giving us truth its about fitness. Truth is overkill (uses too much resource for no benefit) and dies out in evolutionary game theory modelling.
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Old 22nd April 2020, 01:25 AM   #1608
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That would be telling.
Who is number one ?
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Old 22nd April 2020, 01:52 AM   #1609
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What if they say: After I listened to it, I had two friends come over, one at a time. I told each one, "listen to this and tell me what you hear, describe it in as much detail as needed." Then I compared what it sounded like to me with what my two friends said it sounded like to them. Turns out all three of us described hearing the exact same thing, and each of us further felt it sounded more like Benchmark AHB2 than the Aragon 8008.

If all that happened, is the guy in your example still only allowed to say 'my personal preference' and no more?
Yes
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Old 22nd April 2020, 07:16 AM   #1610
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I was hesitant to post the link, as I didnt like the clickbait title of it. I was far more interested in the "this is what people ordinarily do" aspect; sell their self-coached perception to others. Combine that with plenty of receiving ears for such, possibly a good chunk of whom may be open to delusion via carelessness, it's easy to grasp how solid mahogany cable lifters could be sold as a "valuable" accessory.
True, most important though are the "receiving ears", people, on the whole, don't change their minds, they already think that way or are very gullible and unquestioning of people who speak with "authority". Also, being very certain of you abilities is appealing to others, quite charming at times, Bob is an example I think

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