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Old 26th March 2020, 03:01 AM   #1151
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That looks like something that was made by someone going stir crazy while locked down!
Bandana maybe easier if you get to that point?
 
Old 26th March 2020, 03:12 AM   #1152
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SARS-CoV-2 is 1 micron and can live 4 hours on copper. How effective can Cu impregnated plastic be? How small a particle can this thing filter out?
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Old 26th March 2020, 03:54 AM   #1153
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This is where it's important to think in terms of half-lives. Copper is still acting to kill viruses, even though they're quite robust, which is why it's 4 hours vs several days. Even if you do get infected, I don't think it's too hard to suggest that the viral load right off the bat makes a big difference whether you get sick or not.

So the idea of Cu impregnated plastic is not a new one (nor is silver impregnated or coated products).
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:41 AM   #1154
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In fact, 100 times more people die from some kind of tuberculosis in the world per day than from COVID-19. However, people somewhere in Africa die from tuberculosis, and this is of little concern to anyone. Somewhere in a European country people, for natural reasons, such as 2,000 people a day die from old age. And when 10 people were added to them on the day of the deaths from COVID-19, panic broke out in the stock markets. Or there’s a video in Spain, where you can see that people who are apparently quite ordinary people with COVID-19 patients are lying on the floor in the hospital. Although the increase in mortality was said to be quite small, the health system is no longer coping.
You said it: the big difference is that COVID-19 comes thick and fast and completely overwhelms the medical system, and that causes the fear of people.
It will all be over by the end of the year, while flu, TBC etc will go on, but that is under the radar because it doesn't come in a high peak at one moment.

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Old 26th March 2020, 07:43 AM   #1155
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I haven't read the book, and don't intend to. I've been getting it quoted at me.
It is a smart move to let someone, with obvious interest, quote selected (by him/her) parts of it? Just wondering.

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Old 26th March 2020, 09:05 AM   #1156
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@ gazzagazza If the person who's quoting sections to you remotely suspects what he/she is quoting to you is true, please refer him/her to my post 1112 to put it in perspective and show him/her how silly this idea is.
Nah, he says, and I think the book says, that the viruses are harmless and the hype is created around them so that the medical and I guess pharmaceutical people can get rich. Also HIV doesn't cause AIDS, basically HIV is a harmless virus that's been hyped etc etc. Morons. But there seems to be plenty of "experts" to quote as supporting the theory. I'd love some targeted ammo to shoot them down.

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Old 26th March 2020, 09:18 AM   #1157
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SARS-CoV-2 is 1 micron and can live 4 hours on copper. How effective can Cu impregnated plastic be? How small a particle can this thing filter out?
Most masks do not filter out the virus completely but the idea is to reduce the size of the inoculation ie if you do get infected you want to be infected with very few viruses rather than a lot.

If you get a lot of virus at once there is a greater chance that your immune system gets overwhelmed by sheer numbers but if you get a little it gives your immune system a fighting chance to produce antibodies and the disease will progress in a milder manner.

Besides the virus doesn't travel naked through the air, it is suspended in tiny droplets. It is these you need to stop.
I have no idea how large those droplets are though but the infection spread borders what they call droplet infection and aerosol infection.
Droplets are larger and quickly fall to the ground while aerosols keep hanging in the air for some time.
Either way the particle to be stopped is substantially larger than the virus itself.


@pharos it's an inline 4 (or 3). It doesn't matter how you mount it.
WW2 Messerschmitts had V12s, they didn't become A12s only because they were mounted upside down.

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Old 26th March 2020, 09:47 AM   #1158
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... Our problem is poverty. There are about 500 million people that depend on daily wages and though the governments have announced free foodgrains for them for the entire period and some financial assistance, delivery mechanisms are still a sore point with plenty of leakage.
I believe developing nations face quite similar problem in this regard. Let us be steadfast and do our best in facing this global cleansing event.
 
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Also HIV doesn't cause AIDS, basically HIV is a harmless virus that's been hyped etc etc.
So where did these AIDS patients die from then?

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I'd love some targeted ammo to shoot them down.
Why look for that? Why not just make that up too?

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Old 26th March 2020, 10:41 AM   #1160
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Gwyneth Paltrow's 'expert' says people are dying of fear and there is no virus!

Goop expert says coronavirus doesn't exist: 'There is potentially no such thing' | The Independent
 

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