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Old 25th August 2019, 09:54 PM   #501
Cal Weldon is offline Cal Weldon  Canada
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The Arctic has become warmer by 5 degrees. Australia has snowed.
Stop having so many children and the rest is moot. Period.
Old 25th August 2019, 10:05 PM   #502
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Originally Posted by Bonsai View Post
I stand by my comments re your understanding of the issue but do not intentionally wish to belittle you or anyone else. There aren’t any experts on this forum on planetary science. There are plenty of good science bodies researching this subject who have a range of opinions on the outcome of AGW and if like me you rely on expert opinion on subjects you personally are not an expert in, then you either have a very, very plausible alternative explanation, or you follow the expert lead and perhaps adopt a position somewhere along the spectrum of their opinion which insofar as CC is concerned generally now ranges from very serious outcomes within 100 years (mass migration, crop failures, 2-3 heatwaves a year at > 50C in areas with large cities, no more Arctic ice) through to large scale but manageable scenarios. Take you pick.
As for your way of dealing with me, we are set to reconvene on this in 4 years so there is no reason for you to get revved up.

hence much anti-AGW ‘research’ is funded by SIGs.
Interesting because they are not the ones who said the debate on AWG is settled and avoids it.
Old 25th August 2019, 10:24 PM   #503
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My second point is there are studies and/or scientists who contended or contend that: 1) the health effects of smoking are significantly overstated; 2) being fat or even obese is not a serious health threat; 3) high cholesterol levels do not lead to cardio vascular disease; 4) lead in gasoline poses no threat to human health; 5) DDT poses no health effects and, in fact, is a massive life-saving chemical. The fact is that there are certainly alternatives to pumping carbon into the atmosphere, so why not take that route? Iowa gets 35% of its electricity from wind. What an outrage!
Old 25th August 2019, 10:51 PM   #504
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Could you please cite the according paragraph in the report?

IIRC the food 'production' of the world would be sufficient to feed our current population, but unfortunately we dump a lot in the waste bin instead of sharing it.
Predictions for the future (if forecast of population rise becomes true) are not so bright as similar to the term 'peak oil' there is a 'peak wheat' and it seems that cro yield is declining due to various reasons.
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Yes we as westerners do dump huge quantities of food, but food safe standards (in Aus at least) prevent a lot of this food even being distributed to Aussies.

The fact is human population cannot keep growing at its current rate. If it does we will outstrip the Earths ability to feed the Human population.

The Earth is a closed eco system with the ability to X life. As human population has grown other less robust species have had to make way (ie extinction).

I know this paper is old but it also gives perspective looking back.


Do I believe humans are destroying the planet, ABSOLUTELY, my issue is with the CO2 effect. There is no repeatable experimental evidence that CO2 causes the planet to warm. CBT Systematic Reinforcement, continue reinforcing a behaviour or belief and eventually it will become fact.

Lets ignore all of the harmful s@#t we pump into the atmosphere NOX CO etc.

Instead lets build and buy more electric cars with the associated pollution required to manufacture these vehicles.
Old 25th August 2019, 11:00 PM   #505
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We can and will adapt to the coming glacial period. We have done it before and will do so again. Remember this: it is a lot easier for us humans to keep warm when it is freezing cold, than it is to keep cool while it is rapidly becoming baking hot...
I used to see the high tech as the future for humanity, not anymore. I now hope and work for people to live with nature in harmony, voluntary reduction of population with climate going slightly cooler for the next thousand years or so. Climate change or not, we need to stop our toxic ways. There will be pain to motivate us to affect change in our awareness and behavior, but hopefully not that much. The truly baking hot will eventually come from the sun going red giant but I simply can not see that far into the future.
Old 25th August 2019, 11:30 PM   #506
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Having children isn't the main problem, the main problem is over consumption, if every household in the world were to live the same lifestyle like the majority of us on this forum were to live, we would need the following.
Press Release June 2019 English – Earth Overshoot Day
How many humans can Earth sustain? And what does it mean if we've already passed it? - Science News - ABC News
Old 25th August 2019, 11:33 PM   #507
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Huge waste of the energy on the poisons production for " the better toxic life "

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Old 25th August 2019, 11:48 PM   #508
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“There is no repeatable experimental evidence that CO2 causes the planet to warm.”

Greenhouse gases absorb visible light and higher energy IR and re-radiate it out at lower energy band IR - i.e they prevent or reduce the amount of energy re-radiated out into space and keep it trapped in the lower reaches of the atmosphere. The physics is extremely well understood (see for example black body radiation plots of the earth and atmosphere.

How do you justify making a statement like you did when independent measurements across multiple platforms show both CO2 and temperatures increasing?
Old 26th August 2019, 12:40 AM   #509
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Unles there will be a one world government which will implement the plan comparable to forced Russian industrialization or China's Mao " big jump " nothing of significance will be done even if people will be dying in drones. People frequently do die in drones at present times and not much is done . Rich countries will mobilize militaries and protect resources , grab more of them which is pretty much what's going on today and that will not change.There is no so called " humanity " never was and likely never be . I think the times of empires are coming back actually .
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