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I think I've condensed in only 4 Laws the guideline for the best-in-class audio chain
I think I've condensed in only 4 Laws the guideline for the best-in-class audio chain
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Old 17th July 2019, 03:13 AM   #11
Jim the Oldbie is offline Jim the Oldbie  United States
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..But #2 I don't know. Clean and flat-ish, but not completely flat IMO...
You're right of course. Instead of flat, better clean and smooth - with just the right tilt, sorta like Hedy's hat:

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Old 17th July 2019, 03:52 AM   #12
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There is no optimum, and you will never reach this!

Interesting statement. Instead of asking to show pictures of your system, I would ask you to listen to these two Youtube files and tell me which one is the better recording?


1. Natalie Merchant (NPR Music)
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2. Suzanne Vega (NPR Music)
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Old 17th July 2019, 05:02 PM   #13
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Why?
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Old 18th July 2019, 12:39 AM   #14
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Why?

To say that we will never reach the 'optimum', we should have tried very hard to reach things average people don't. For speakers, we have line arrays, transmission lines, horns, series crossovers, minimum phase and many more...


Why the two files above? It's related with amplifiers. A transparent amp will tell you that one of the two recordings is bad and the other one is very good. You don't hear it with ordinary amplifiers. Most amplifiers are just terrible.
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Old 18th July 2019, 12:45 AM   #15
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I think I've condensed in only 4 Laws the guideline for the best-in-class audio chain
3) is particularly important but it is not in conflict with an accurate response.

5) good recording quality - often more elusive than good reproduction
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Old 18th July 2019, 04:20 AM   #16
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a "clean flat response"
Do you know what you meant by this?
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at any loudness level: you should not get an unpleasant audio experience while you turn up the volume.
Yes, this is important. First question first.
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Old 18th July 2019, 05:46 AM   #17
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The speaker should have a good spinorama.
In double blind listening tests these speakers come out on top.

https://www.sausalitoaudio.com/wp-co...ama-Charts.pdf
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Old 18th July 2019, 06:06 PM   #18
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Default Muxic is about aesthetic, individual tastes.

In order of magnitude,

First law may be: first more important thing is room efforts, size( in real life you always will have problems with a room less than 30 square meters or above 50 square meters), shape, placement of listener, speakers and all the furnitures, treatments, etc

Second may be: don't focuse on one device but setup all your devices hifi chain as a whole.

Third law may be : a subjective pleasment with what you get, flat curve means nothing , it means it's subjective, your listening tastes are changing with time, experience, bias, evolution of tastes themselves as you can choose a trade off over another one that change with time.

Fourth law, focus on first law and don t forgett to listen to true live music i.e. unpluged , both for the pleasure and reset your ears from your own bias or method you consider good like for instance my osci knows better than me about aesthetic and own tastes and emprical habits....
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Old 18th July 2019, 07:32 PM   #19
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Synergy - this is why even a pocket radio or an active PC speaker can sound good, and a multi-mega $ audio system can sound horrible.
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Old 18th July 2019, 07:52 PM   #20
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Every thing in a state of flux--my speaker voice coils won't argue with that at all.
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