you mean like the white cliffs of dover? Or Holland (flat, wet lots of enormous greenhouses). A flight like that spends most of its time climbing and descending. European farming practices are different so the field layouts are different. Dozens of little things.
Pay attention and you see lots of interesting things out of the window when the cloud cover is thin enough.
Pay attention and you see lots of interesting things out of the window when the cloud cover is thin enough.
Last time I took a flight to Europe it was to the med and it took at least 90 minutes to get away from the cloud cover so that the ground could be seen and then it was sparsely populated inland Spain. There was not a lot to be seen on the ground on that flight. Zurich is a destination where the terrain is much more obvious.
Elevator blowback
Over on pprune.org poster FCeng84 raised the phenomenon of 'elevator blowback' on the 737 a few days ago, this has been picked up on as another important factor : Bjorn’s Corner: Why did Ethiopian Airlines ET302 and Lion Air JT610 crash? - Leeham News and Analysis
Over on pprune.org poster FCeng84 raised the phenomenon of 'elevator blowback' on the 737 a few days ago, this has been picked up on as another important factor : Bjorn’s Corner: Why did Ethiopian Airlines ET302 and Lion Air JT610 crash? - Leeham News and Analysis
Very interesting theory.
I was looking at the AoA sensor outputs (Lion Air 610). Curious. There is a positive offset on the red line which increases during taxi. After take-off the changes in red match those of the green sensor but the offset persists.
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Yes, and even in thick cloud at cruise you certainly know where the sun is...
And it would have been very much the wrong place!
I always track flights I'm on with phone gps. I guess no-one was doing that!
Turns out the flight was run by a sub contractor, and the issued the pilot with the previous day's flight plan, when that aircraft had done the EDI route!
You'd think ATC might have noticed though.....
On a recent trip to California I noticed that most of the younger generation was engaged in finger exercises of some sort involving a small machine made of plastic and glass. Some of the older folks were sleeping or reading....some even had real paper in their hands. I spent much of that day reading magazines on my iPAD.
Ditto the return trip. I did hold my phone up to the window so it could acquire a GPS signal. Then I could find out where we were on Google maps. The Grand Canyon is quite obvious from 32,000 feet. The GPS Test app will also tell you the (ground) speed of the aircraft and its altitude.
Years ago on a trip from Tokyo to LAX I could pick out San Fransisco, not for the bridge, but for the Transamerica building.
The error was that the pilot had been given the wrong flight plan and ATC would have had the same flight plan declared to them by the pilot immediately before clearance to take off. The error would have followed through to ATC. The pilot just took the flight plan he was given and flew the plane just like he would with all other flights ha has done.
I've yet to see a plane on google earth
I have some time ago spotted a plane below the satellite camera on street view so they are most likely also there on Google earth too.
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Another, possibly unrelated, incident .....
Boeing 737 Max 8 makes an emergency landing in Florida - CNN
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Boeing 737 Max 8 makes an emergency landing in Florida - CNN
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Yes, my experiences exactly. I have always loved looking out the window. Nice to know I'm not the only one.
That was the part I was commenting on. Some clever engineers back in the 60s considering all they had was slide rules and pipes (and tweed jackets in UK).
I'm not going to post the links as there is some seriously bad journalism going on but I see various reports being posted on results of simulator testing of the AoA sensor error. Nothing I would call credible though.
Looking out the window is great, but I recall flying Newark -> Mumbai a few years ago. As we left Newark the sun was setting. This was mid June so as we neared the Arctic Circle the sun rose, then as we headed south (somewhere around Norway) it set again, then rose again somewhere over Eastern Europe or Iran, I remember looking down on the mountains of Afghanistan (it did not look inviting) then dark again before we got to Mumbai. That was all in 14 hours. Pretty distracting if you are trying to sleep.
Last week I was in a 6-passenger twin engine flying from Grenada to Carriacou and back; I couldn't look out my window (acrophobia), though I was OK to look out the other windows. Too bad, I sort of wanted to take some pix but my hands were too sweaty.
I used to be a nervous flyer too (though never admitted it). Now I think: If we crash it doesn't matter, our adult kids will just get their inheritance early.
According to BBC Boeing has launched fixes for its 737 Max plane - BBC News the preliminary report on the Ethopian crash is due in next few days. Luckily the BBC haven't tried and failed to put in wrong technical analysis and are just stating that Boeing have a SW upgrade coming.
Hopefully the prelim report will answer some questions...
Hopefully the prelim report will answer some questions...
Me too but because I am tall it may cause neck strain and that every airline seems to have different seat spacings so you never know which seats are going to line up at a window.
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