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Old 15th January 2020, 11:42 PM   #1061
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Now imagine how bad things could have got if Boeing wouldn't have had Airbus as competition.
Well, it could be posited that the whole rush to deliver a competitor to the A320 Neo series that resulted in the Max imbroglio would have never visited us?
The A220-300 (Bomdardier CS300) could well be another nail in the 737 series coffin.
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Old 15th January 2020, 11:48 PM   #1062
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Right oh chap
As an example, it was a 36 hour drive, only stops for gas and a pi$$ to go from Toronto to Prince Albert Sask.
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Old 16th January 2020, 06:54 AM   #1063
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Have you looked at a map? When we drive to see the relatives 1 province over we drive 1000km. Is all of norway even that large. When goods from china hit the coast some need to be shipped 5000km! Its quicker for me in Vancouver to fly to London then our east coast, even in a Max.Have you looked at average temps. Norway in winter average temp is +2 celsius, there surounded by water. Couldnt find exact numbers but even slightly north of the 49th parallel I would bet the temps are colder. Calgary, Nov to march averages about -10 celsius.
Reminds of that movie ‘The Revenant’

Awesome scenery but yes, a bit cold.
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Old 16th January 2020, 08:49 AM   #1064
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I wonder if DIY audio will get closer to the truth than the media over this? These things are complex and companies never screw up for pleasure.

A friend asked me why all the nonsense in the world today. I said it is a religion vacuum being filled. They feel something bigger than them is controling their lives and they have upset it. Hence without any realistic plan we are going to be virtuous. As I said to him being vegan and electric aircraft won't do it. What shocks me is the maths controlling this are not complex. For example , how much energy can a battery hold , how much does it weigh , how far can that aircraft fly. If you use cars of a similar type how will you find enough electrical power, I would say aircraft are a special case. Zero emissions might not reverse what's happening. I would almost guarantee that. However if done with sensible financial planning why not try?

Do you remember being at school and doing the other kids maths homework? Did it ever occure to you that at age eight it had overtaken them? Guess what, they run the world now. If asking they did do my French and English homework.

Perhaps capitalism will not survive this and the stranglehold of state interference will have the victory it has always wanted. Boeing might be a victim of not having the same commitment from the federation of states as Airbus from it's federation of countries. The UK leaving that church right now.

737 max coming from a less supportive family didn't dare go to market later. Rushed homework.
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Old 16th January 2020, 10:43 PM   #1065
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SA-8 has several radars, for target acquisition, target tracking and missile uplink.
Some versions also have SSR (IFF Identification Friend-Foe). There are no versions with visual or IR acquisition.
- SA-8 (9K33 Osa) isn't a big secret now, so I think I can say that it definitely has television-telescope visual pointing system. It is something like TV-camera with several times zoom.
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Old 16th January 2020, 11:46 PM   #1066
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https://www.armyrecognition.com/russ...mation_uk.html
Someone has to update that web page, they forgot to mention Iraq as another customer.

One of humans bad inventions, so we can kill each other. Think about what the fool did to the airliner, lock on the jet, using his television-telescope visual pointing system. Also using the several radars, for target acquisition, target tracking and missile uplink.
WTF, it could not figure out what the heck it was looking at? and shoot two missiles at the poor helpless people, absolutely reckless and immoral.
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Old 16th January 2020, 11:58 PM   #1067
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You always fire two missiles when the target is close. The SSKP* of those things isn't too hot.
Especially since it is Command Guidance. (Semi) active homing does much better in that respect, but still you'd fire ripple-2 at close range.
What the Police would call double-tap ;-)

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Old 17th January 2020, 12:14 AM   #1068
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It could not calculate the targets speed? determine what is was, where it was?
processing, damn that target is big & slow, going in that direction and coord
should I fire one or two?
is there a need to launch two?
if I miss it isn't going that fast, I could hit it again before it got out of range or in danger
How many line of AI code ?
= absolutely reckless and immoral. Is not eye for an eye law in Iraq?

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Old 17th January 2020, 12:22 AM   #1069
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It could not calculate the targets speed? determine what is was?
processing, damn that target is slow,
should I fire one or two?
is there a need to launch two?
if I miss it isn't going that fast, I could hit it again before it got out of range or in danger
How many line of code ?
= absolutely reckless and immoral.
Unless the operator was just yanked off the street to fill an empty seat, all of that is done. This is not the first time such battles are fought. You or the computer does indeed compute all of that and gives you a recommendation. Then you determine what to do. In case of slightest doubt, double-tap. Or triple. Two $500k missiles for a $50M jet is a good deal.

It is a fight between a pilot who knows what he is up against and an operator who tries to second-guess the pilot. In that sense, there is nothing immoral in shooting down what you sincerely believe is an attacking jet with full bomb racks.

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Old 17th January 2020, 12:35 AM   #1070
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Unless the operator was just yanked off the street to fill an empty seat, all of that is done.
Like driving a car without a license or a clue?
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Two $500k missiles for a $50M jet is a good deal.
Iraq reasoning, use them up or they will expire anyways.
Military reasoning mentality, it can be reckless, as DT says, people can get hurt.
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there is nothing immoral in shooting down what you sincerely believe is an attacking jet with full bomb racks.
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