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Old 24th September 2018, 11:55 PM   #421
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Yes, but they (termites) love White Pine (vs Yellow Pine). White pine is easy to grow and grows fast.
So, we've got the primary producers (pines), the primary consumers (termites) and possible secondary consumers (humans).

We may have the basis of an industry here, but the question is - what do subterranian termites taste like?
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Old 24th September 2018, 11:59 PM   #422
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Old 25th September 2018, 08:47 AM   #423
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I beg to differ. Synthetic meat.
The Vegan Society are investing in synthetic meat research. Completely silent about moving on their position on insects
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Old 25th September 2018, 09:50 AM   #424
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Most of us try to make what we believe are ethical choices. Unless you believe morality is entirely about expression of personal preference (emotivism) with no other objective basis or claim to universality, then I do believe that my choice (veganism) is 'more ethical' than the alternatives. Why on earth would I bother, if I didn't?
Many are vegan for other reasons, health, environmental, taste preference.
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Old 25th September 2018, 01:39 PM   #425
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As a committed carnivore I have to say I'd rather not eat any meat at all than synthetic meat.
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Old 25th September 2018, 01:51 PM   #426
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Many are vegan for other reasons, health, environmental, taste preference.
Yes, but most of those are boring. People love/hate the ethical side and show some mild interest in health aspects. That's about it.

Most people don't care what they eat, and are surprised and often annoyed when other people do.
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Old 25th September 2018, 02:58 PM   #427
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Many are vegan for other reasons, health, environmental, taste preference.
Yes, I agree... ...I'm (merely) making that point that it would take a very peculiar metaethical position to do something for ethical reasons and not believe it's "more ethical" than the alternative.

That seems to be a grumble from some omnivores - "those hoity-toity (ethical) vegans think they're more ethical than us". Well, of course, on that specific issue. If we all considered this a matter of personal preference (like my preference for blue to red) there wouldn't be an ethical argument.

What I was trying to get at was that people can have disagreements on specific ethical questions without assuming those who disagree are inferior beings in toto who have nothing to say worth hearing. As cheesy as it sounds, I find it more productive to try and approach the debate on the basis of shared values and then work out consequences from there. Almost everyone agrees that animal cruelty is wrong, which is a good starting point.
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Old 25th September 2018, 04:17 PM   #428
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Most people don't care what they eat, and are surprised and often annoyed when other people do.
It's like the batteries, the exhausted batteries; one can try to convince the other to put them in the correct waste, the other would say: I don't care, it all goes to the same recipient anyway.
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Old 25th September 2018, 04:59 PM   #429
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The Vegan Society are investing in synthetic meat research. Completely silent about moving on their position on insects
Because the insects don't look as adorable as mammals?

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Old 25th September 2018, 05:16 PM   #430
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It's like the batteries, the exhausted batteries;

Do vegans use batteries?

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