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Old 11th July 2018, 12:44 AM   #21
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Not hard to understand why since any impartial third party is going to find minimal benefit putting it kindly. Who wants to hear that a $10 generic 14awg IEC computer cable is at least as good as their expensive work of art?

Of course in theory this is what all those unbiased audio reviewers are supposed to be doing... (Apparently not)
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Old 11th July 2018, 07:37 AM   #22
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To me the "2db scam" is just very naive. Having attended many similar demos i am certain the audible differences cannot be emulated by simply boosting the volume, this is just childish. Otoh, any demo which is based on a file source controlled by a salesman is suspect. Too many opportunities for fraud exist, but volume boost... give me a break.
 
Old 11th July 2018, 08:42 AM   #23
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On Day Two of CES 2018 Proof That A.C. Cables Make a Big Sonic Difference | Analog Planet . This has level differences. The samples were analysed in the snake oil thread.
 
Old 11th July 2018, 11:31 AM   #24
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[url=https://www.analogplanet.com/content/day-two-ces-2018-proof-ac-cables-make-big-sonic-difference]This has level differences. The samples were analysed in the snake oil thread.
The question is why, it's the easiest control of all. Mr. uber ears can't tell when simply the volume has changed, I don't believe it.
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Old 11th July 2018, 11:56 AM   #25
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Here the link to the two US patent for the Thunder cable.



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Old 11th July 2018, 04:22 PM   #26
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Too many opportunities for fraud exist, but volume boost... give me a break.
What's your reasoning there? It seems like a good trick. A 2dB increase should just be noticeable and louder has been shown as favored in listening tests. Seems like a good trick and easy to do.

What's your objection?
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His own brand of expensive powercables were lower output than competitor's (NordOst).
 
Old 11th July 2018, 05:03 PM   #28
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Here the link to the two US patent for the Thunder cable.
Patents are just an appeal to authority. "The USPTO agrees that our stuff is special. You should buy our stuff." It's the audiophile version of a white lab coat.

All you need to get a patent is an invention that is novel, non-obvious, and reproducible by someone skilled in the art. There is no requirement that the invention has to work or provide a benefit. Oh. And you also need money...

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What's your reasoning there? It seems like a good trick. A 2dB increase should just be noticeable and louder has been shown as favored in listening tests.
It's also a trick that's been studied scientifically (i.e. in a controlled experiment). Louder sounds better. The level change does not have to be all that dramatic. Somewhere around the minimum perceptible change threshold is often enough. This is why scientific experiments involving the perception of sound quality use level-matched sound samples.

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Old 11th July 2018, 05:14 PM   #29
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That threshold is closer to 0.5 dB, so 2 dB is WAY over that, to boot.
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But the Audioquest salesperson wasn't selling the Nordost, the loudest.
 

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