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Old 9th June 2018, 07:43 PM   #21
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He was also a huge believer in those Sony Trinitrons. And, I have to agree even with the new Sony flat screens. Their technology just seems to feel more like real life, while others seem..... the best way I can describe it is ďalienĒ or ďsoullessĒ like itís the invasion of the body snatchers happening in frame.

Iím not really a big brand loyalist, and not only advocating Sony obviously, but Iíve noticed specifically that their products have a much different method which I perceive as more lifelike. Iím curious if you could chime in as to why you think itís so different from other manufacturers.

Also, I donít believe itís just settings. I went into a video forum and went ham on adjusting and fine tuning two other different (and well reviewed) models from other manufacturers before returning them and going with the Sony. I think itís my all time record for a store return saga of any kind.

Maybe those who donít see what I see have already been ďbody snatchedĒ and itís just downhill from here ;-)
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Iím not really a big brand loyalist, and not only advocating Sony obviously, but Iíve noticed specifically that their products have a much different method which I perceive as more lifelike. Iím curious if you could chime in as to why you think itís so different from other manufacturers.
For one thing the CEO Akio Morita was directly involved in the quality of the product. When I went to visit SONY in 1988 I was told his personal listener chose the AD712 for their top end CD players. This was nice, neither here nor there today.

As for the TV's I think they used more expensive rare earth phosphors that gave a more naturalistic image. I have made this comment for over 40yrs. to numerous people mostly to deaf ears (blind eyes?). A still of a Japanese garden, for instance, could be rendered just right or maybe just so much better to my eyes than on any other monitor with any amount of adjustment. There was an established reference monitor made by Conrac which I never saw but it was $$$.

I find it ironic that folks here go on and on about preserving what the recording engineer wanted to present, but with video that all goes out the window. There is a lot of stuff on the web from professionals in the film industry and film lovers, even going over 24fps is considered a compromise.
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The proposal was to coat 2" tape with DVDR material and run it at insane inches per second past a special laser scanner, frankly the whole thing seemed pie in the sky to me.

Sounds like the tape recorder from the Sci-Fi movie Brainstorm to me. If that is the case then I say, bring it on!

I must say it is a strange experience seeing Louise Fletcher pulling back on a smoke.

We really need an extremely high bandwidth storage medium right now.
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A lady I know called Lucy transcribes 405 line TV for the BBC. She also works with more modern formats. To her the very best colour she ever saw was 1966( ish ) was NTSC tapes on NTSC monitors which were then converted to PAL. She thought the converted transmission a pale imitation. I though I had some NOS Sony 405 gear for her, alas no as someone had dumped it. I suspect is was from 1964. The machines looked like the latter 625 line machines. I seem to remember the spool had to be swapped to rewind it, most likely that's wrong.

I recently found a VHS machine for a friend. Having nothing better than Vodka I cleaned the heads ( toilet paper, sound only before cleaning took a risk as toilet paper can ruin the head , Sony used chamois on like a lolly stick ). Not only did it work but the Sony HD TV loved it. Whilst not to a high standard it was very enjoyable and the best VHS I have seen. Perhaps Bravia is part of that? Fireball XL5 being a favorite.
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By the way LTO-12 is expected to reach 200TB capacity by the time LTO-12 comes around.


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Also compatability between LTO-8 drives and LTO-6 tapes is broken.
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The two generations of backward compatibility was broken for LTO-8 because LTO-8 drives relies entirely on Barium Ferrite tape media. Since LTO-6 supported both magnetic particle and Barium Ferrite, the compatibility issues has arisen. This is not a likely scenario for LTO-9.
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We really need an extremely high bandwidth storage medium right now.

Already exists if you have the $$
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I always thought Beta had a better picture than VHS. It was a sad day when VHS displaced Sony Beta and Beta-max. Sony technology was great, marketing was not a strong point of Sony (keep it all for ourselves).
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I always thought Beta had a better picture than VHS. It was a sad day when VHS displaced Sony Beta and Beta-max. Sony technology was great, marketing was not a strong point of Sony (keep it all for ourselves).
People flocked to the 6hr VHS tapes, SONY did not get that the vast majority of the market did not care about quality. BTW the Panasonic NV series of VHS at slow speed was pretty good, pre-recorded tapes done at 1x on rooms full of NV7200's looked better than the Beta equivalents since IIRC no one released movies on the lowest Beta speed which used at least 2 tapes for any movie. By the time hi-speed duping became the norm I was less interested.
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