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Old 4th May 2018, 06:44 PM   #11
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I purchased a couple of Bose bluetooth speakers awhile back (Soundlink II, Soundlink Mini) and in my small apartment, my frequency response measurements showed hefty bass boost and treble which was very directional and not very extended. I thought they might fare better outdoors or in a party situation. The treble, I could live with, but I wished they had a handy way to cut the bass for indoor use.
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Old 5th May 2018, 12:27 AM   #12
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If a came across a pair of there 1970s disco speakers cheap I would buy them as they were OK compared to others in there day but slightly more compact.
Wave radios were just table top radios and nothing else.
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Old 5th May 2018, 08:12 AM   #13
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perhaps you meant "perceived" bass?
Eh, maybe.
For me, Bose has always been about getting an annoying amount of sound out of some very small boxes. Having something that can sit on the palm of your hand and fill a smallish room with perceived bass for hours with no external power source is very impressive to me.

Their top-end PA stuff is getting good with top-end 18Sound components, and their bluetooth speakers are what everyone else aims to beat.

The middle-sized stuff (L1 PA stick, home "HiFi"/cinema) all suffers from the same sound, IMO - a distinct hole between the subwoofer and the little full-range units. There's a dip of maybe an octave or two where a lot of the "body" of the sound is missing. EQing it back in just takes away any headroom the system used to have. Having the gap there makes the bass sound deep and impressive to the average punter, though.

I actually own a set of their MusicMonitor speakers - they're pretty flat and put out a very big sound for the size of the box.

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Old 5th May 2018, 05:53 PM   #14
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my frequency response measurements showed hefty bass boost and treble which was very directional and not very extended.
This is how a lot of "boomboxes" and small cheap stereos are voiced. It's how the Wave radio works. It pretty much works for making a full sound. I've measured some of the stuff myself.

Despite the marketing claims that the Wave radio replaces a bulky and expensive component system , this is not true. A 4" speaker is not going to make your hair blow back like the old Memorex ad. But some of the cheap designs are pretty clever.

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The middle-sized stuff (L1 PA stick, home "HiFi"/cinema) all suffers from the same sound, IMO - a distinct hole between the subwoofer and the little full-range units. There's a dip of maybe an octave or two where a lot of the "body" of the sound is missing. EQing it back in just takes away any headroom the system used to have. Having the gap there makes the bass sound deep and impressive to the average punter, though.

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Oh yeah, and Bose is no exception. This is what consumers are used to hearing.

For TV, this is annoying. That Bose 5.1 cube system just sounds garbled to me. And if it's not set up right, then all your midrange comes from your subwoofer. I've heard all that in the field and sometimes people don't care. It's Bose, so it's got to be good, even though it sounds horrid - or something like that.

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Old 5th May 2018, 06:58 PM   #15
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This is how a lot of "boomboxes" and small cheap stereos are voiced. It's how the Wave radio works. It pretty much works for making a full sound. I've measured some of the stuff myself.




Oh yeah, and Bose is no exception. This is what consumers are used to hearing.
I think you're right; people want the experience they get when they go out to a club and are not concerned w/clarity over a visceral reaction.
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I think you're right; people want the experience they get when they go out to a club and are not concerned w/clarity over a visceral reaction.
In a club, there's real chest thumping bass courtesy of large subwoofers. These gimmicks are illusory. But boomy, muddy pseudo bass is what people associate with "hi-fi."

You can't get good bass for free. Either you need a big amplifier with a small box, or a big box, for any kind of SPL. No free lunch.
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Old 5th May 2018, 07:21 PM   #17
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It was the atrocious (in my opinion) "club sound" that got me into building my own gear in the first place! I don't know what went wrong with my generation, but a lot of the music systems my friends are interested in sound terrible to my ears! And for the record, I don't even have any "golden ears"!
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audiophiles - hating anything so without proper reason ...... are not audiophiles , they're morons

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Fast Eddie:
I'd argue that big boxes are needed for big SPL no matter what amp you got. Small boxes can be more than adequate if you do not need to shake the neighbours house though.

helitim:
My ears are no better, I struggle with the same, people seem weirdly happy with crap sound systems. Ignorance is bliss.
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Old 5th May 2018, 09:18 PM   #20
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Could only bear to watch the first 3 minutes. I think he was genuinely an audiophile, because he thought others would give a **** about his unsubstantiated opinion.
I made it to 1:30. Couldn't go any further.

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