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Old 29th April 2018, 04:51 PM   #21
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If there was any doubt about relativity, even if you don't understand it, that should have beeen removed entirely with the observation of gravity waves, the final piece of the puzzle.
Garbage physics to the rescue. These folks are more clever than most and make up a good story, unfortunately since they don't believe in math and theoretical physics they don't understand the very basics of stochastics and noise. Their entire anti-LIGO rant is ludicrous, I told them so but they censored my comments (what else is new?) .

Gravitational Waves – holoscience.com | The ELECTRIC UNIVERSE(R)
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Old 29th April 2018, 06:00 PM   #22
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I assume time does not exist.

Einstein's friend Godel wrote much about it.

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Old 29th April 2018, 07:36 PM   #23
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I assume time does not exist.

Einstein's friend Godel wrote much about it.

http://www.ams.org/notices/200707/tx070700861p.pdf
It's easy to quote and link stuff, but understanding it is another matter. Every time one of Einstein's predictions gets a new experimental verification the usual suspects thrash about making up new denial stories, how tiresome.
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I find it ironic that you have to repeatedly point out everyday technology based on robust science, on a site where about half the members are engineers.
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I find it ironic that you have to repeatedly point out everyday technology based on robust science, on a site where about half the members are engineers.
What baffles me is the moral imperative that somehow Einstein and relativity is horribly wrong. Why do they care?
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And the other half aren't, luckily they don't have to understand technology to use it, it's probably magic to them
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What baffles me is the moral imperative that somehow Einstein and relativity is horribly wrong. Why do they care?
In most cases it is simply a case of "If I cannot understand it, then it must be wrong". Why they want to announce to the world that they don't understand it is a mystery.

Sadly, sometimes (as SY pointed out), it is thinly veiled anti-Semitism.
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Old 29th April 2018, 09:00 PM   #28
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What baffles me is the moral imperative that somehow Einstein and relativity is horribly wrong. Why do they care?
Because some cannot accept that education, hard work and a drop of genius can make a difference, and is by no means isomorphic with their usual pub "work" over a pint of beer. Also the media is successfully dumbifying science at the Joe Sixpack level on a daily basis, without any responsibility other than selling the illusion of "understanding" packed with advertising for the latest teeth bleaching product.

That, and the fact that Michelson, Einstein, Bohr, Pauli, Feynman, Gell-Mann, Weinberg, Bethe and quite a few others are jews, so their results must necessary hide some sort of zionist plot.

FWIW, IMO the best QM book for beginners (with a degree, though) was written by Leonard Susskind (yet another one of those, what were you thinking?) Quantum Mechanics: The Theoretical Minimum (Theoretical Minimum 2): Amazon.co.uk: Leonard Susskind, Art Friedman: 9780141977812: Books This is the minimum to have any remotely intelligent discussion on QM.

Disclosure: I took QFT in the university, it's way over what an EE needs, but much less than I would enjoy. So I qualify only as a QM/QFT DIYer.

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So (on the other side of universe) much older civilizations are using Einstein's description of physical reality?

I don' think so.
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So (on the other side of universe) much older civilizations are using Einstein's description of physical reality?
Probably not. But you need to make a clear distinction between physical reality and it's mathematical description.

FWIW, we already know that our mathematical support is by no way unique. About 100 years ago, some smart pants decided to create a constructive mathematics, which, simply put, is dumping the Zermelo axiom out of the mathematics foundation. In laymen term, this means that starting a theorem with "Let 'A' be..." was made illegal. It took about 50 years of efforts to realize that this "new" mathematics is completely coherent and leads to exactly the same results as the conventional approach.

You favorite alien species may find the constructive mathematics (or whatever other breed) as their favorite tool to write e.g. the quantum field equations, which could make them very hard to semantically understand for humans. But the end results (that is, modelling the physical reality) are for sure the same. It is very likely that some areas of physics were taken to the next level (of abstraction, generalization and integration), while others are in behind to ours.

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