Different Bybee devices work in different ways, and in different parts of an audio system. Some have more effect than others. I don't think that the vast majority of you here will ever even see or hear a Bybee device. They really work, (given their relative cost) with serious hi fi systems, often costing $10,000-$1million. I just spoke to Jack Bybee this evening, and that is why I mentioned him. He is pushing 90 years old, so it is almost a relief to find him still working at his craft. He doesn't need money, he just likes to do something useful for serious audiophiles. His latest stuff costs a good deal of time and material cost just to make a single one. He gave me the breakdown over the phone. He is essentially selling it with no real profit, so long as his time is compensated for. Of course, most of you won't believe this, but I have known Jack for about 25 years now, and I KNOW that his stuff works in my audio system. I don't expect any here to ever approach Bybee for anything, it is just too radical for you to accept it.
However, I will not be told what works and what doesn't work. I know better.
However, I will not be told what works and what doesn't work. I know better.
According to most psychiatric studies the gold leaf will certainly sound best 
Of course he doesn't need money after fooling a handful of idiots to buy its devices and of course wealthier guys usually live more than honest people struggling with life .
Fine, good, butt out then.
Dan.
Haven't tried BQP for yourself, but you have opinion that 'they don't do what the advertising claims say they do'.
And speculations of distortion 'although its not quite clear what that something is'.
They do work as advertised, and nope it's not added distortion.
Mark, you ought to borrow some BQP's and see what happens to reverb tails....you will be pleasantly surprised.
Dan.
Individual hair cells (HCs) are not themselves tuned to frequencies. Rather, they live (are mounted) on a mechanically-tuned location of the basilar membrane and therefore respond in a tuned way (see anatomy). The attack of a bass note pluck does contain a transient HF component and the HF HCs do respond transiently, if they are alive. The basilar membrane will respond similarly with or without the HCs. The LF HCs will be stimulated quickly with a fast attack and slowly with a slow attack, and therefore will respond differently. Hearing is about both timing AND frequency, not OR. We perceive both envelope and frequencies, depending on... a bunch of things (see link)
Hearing and equipment are different in this case. You can expect at least 3 different neural, and therefore perceptual, responses to a fast attack time bass pluck:
-Full spectrum sound, living HF HCs
-Full spectrum sound, dead HF HCs (the envelope is the same though)
-Low pass-filtered sound (if the LPF changed the envelope). With or without HF HCs, the response of the basilar membrane and therefore also the LF HCs will differ from the above 2 cases.
Such are the powers of logical thinking scaffolded by (self)education.
I don't need to try homeopathic remedies to know they are BS. I don't need to try BQPs to know they are BS, either.
Maybe you can explain to Mark how a BQP could restore his reverb tails if they have been removed from the signal by the converter (as alleged). Magic?
However they do show that Placebo effect is real and high end audio plays on that to the max
Aside. SME have just relaunched the Garrard 301. $12000 with arm and plinth. I fear it will sell well!
I will buy it only with the TPA12 arm fitted.
What cartridge would you suggest Bill? (money is no object as you know)
George
Thanks fo rthe explanation S&M. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if the bass pluck does not contain transient frequencies where HF loss has occurred then there can be no difference in how it is perceived with/without this HF hearing loss. The normal age relate dHF hearing loss does depend on many factors but is it not usually > 13KHz & harmonics of bass notes rarely goes above 5KHz
Yes, that makes sense - thanks for reminding me that both freq & timing are both in play simultaneously in the spectrotemporal analyzer
OK, so in summary, HF hearing loss will NOT change the perception of the attack portion of a sound as long as that doesn't contain frequencies where HF hearing loss has occurred?
I would suggest that you are hearing changes to some higher harmonics of the bass.
And then ? Do-you prefer to be thick than cured by your auto-suggestion ?
If a placebo works, it is better than a real medecine: At least it do not have negative effects.
On my side, I had listened to some files provided by Max. Have not found any difference noticeable enough to be sure that , if any difference, it should be not the product of my own imagination/ self suggestion.
When I'm obliged to listen to a short sample back and forth several time to figure out a difference, I give-it up.
But I do not insult in public the guy that is convinced that something happens that matters. I just think there is a lot of think I can improve in my own system first that will make a real change.
As far I understand Max is not trying to sell anything. It is not like those Bybee magical objects, that are sold for a scandalous price.
Sorry, John, but, on my side, when it taste like snake oil, when it smell like snake oil, when it looks like snake oil, I consider...it has all the chances to be snake oil.
And, as several people I ordinary trust had tried those Bybee and not found any major difference, I will not lose my time and my money on it.
I do not understand, while you know that the simple name of Bybee makes a lot of people (including me) smile on this forum, that you insist talking of this, with no financial interest for you. You just lose some credibility. The worse is that you have admired you ... don't use those gadgets in your own system.
A bass do contain HFs. During the short time of the attack on the chord. Very few in the resonance. So, if you increase the treble (that we often do in studios), you will increase its presence and not change a lot of the harmonic content of the body of the note. And make the bass instrument more listenable on speakers that misses real basses.
Audible changes according to changes in system current noises is to be expected, and is not magic.
Dan.
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Thanks, interesting, we need a neuroscientist here
If they respond in a tuned way surely that would mean they are time restricted?
Does the pluck itself of a bass string (as in slap bass playing) have HF content that can be in the range of normal age related HF hearing loss?
You forgot, I bought one with my own money. It did nothing, period (I didn't try the quack medical claims). When opened it looked like something someone had their kids make in the kitchen with a pair of sizzors, paper, and some copper foil. The coin cell connected into space was funny. The claims were explicit, the contrast and balance of ANY LCD monitor in its presence would be "improved" since this was to be done with no energy expenditure it qualifies as an extraordinary claim.
BTW berating and insulting someone after a result before others have completed creates an enormous bias. Imagine volunteer participants in a public test being sent out of the room after failing the first control. You act more like you have an agenda rather than any interest in a true test.
How can they reverse entropy? I suppose that's easier.
I read somewhere that the rise time of a bass drum thwack was 80 micro seconds.
Re BQP - this is really tiresome. What are we coming to when we try to ‘dignify’ products like this with science or engineering claims that are absolute voodoo.
And those of you that claim to be world class audio engineers should know better.
It’s like the guys who connect batteries to their speaker cables and claim they’re ‘tuning them for better sound’.
Come on!
Re BQP - this is really tiresome. What are we coming to when we try to ‘dignify’ products like this with science or engineering claims that are absolute voodoo.
And those of you that claim to be world class audio engineers should know better.
It’s like the guys who connect batteries to their speaker cables and claim they’re ‘tuning them for better sound’.
Come on!
Would have to be an SPU or EMT on that for full retro effect
This is not a joke.
That TT with that arm and one crystal cartridge the kind of those with the flipping needles was one of my early experiences with shellac and vinyl world (photo from internet but true to my memories)
Scott
A close-up photo of the brochure enclosed in the package would be something I would love to see it posted.
A permanent public expose.
George
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Doubting your own ears ?.
Hmmm, isn't that what we do while mixing/mastering.
Thanks T, I wish others understood that insult is injurious to the recipient and the forum as a whole....another truth is that the insultor insults himself in the end.
Anyway, perhaps the key is that your system requires refinements and therefore the playback files changes are obscured.
If you are unable to tell difference between 01 and 02 files easily then I say that your system needs better LR channel matching and better depth portrayal.
True, I am not selling anything at this time, however I do intend that to change. High materials costs, high labour cost and low production rate scuttles BQP unfortunately. My approach is 'same but different' but at totally different price range and producability.
There are fruitful discussions and intelligent forum posts regarding BQP, it's not snake oil.
I understand the trust factor, personal experience is accurate.
IIRC JC does have BQP in his big system. All this smirking/ridicule from those who have not auditioned BQP is not logical, it is by definition disinformation, 'fake news'. Those who understand all there is to know about energy and energy transfer please step forward.
Dan.
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