I've asked you before & you failed to produce any evidence of your claim about me - I'm asking again - care to point out an example to back up your assertion?
If you fail to do so I would ask you to desist from this.
Are you so forgetful? Others aren't, I can't be bothered to go trawling back over stuff to provide you with evidence of what you and others already know, what's the point? Coming over all innocent doesn't cut it anymore. It doesn't matter....space will probably get a bee in his bonnet too, again he knows what I'm talking about.
Hang in there Markw4 and 99, but I just can't put the energy into attempting in proving the 'unprovable' i.e. whether I hear differences that I talk about, whether Jack Bybee knows what he is doing, etc. I am just going to keep going, and report in when something comes up that I feel might be shared with others.
This is the point, even if you "prove" it someone will "prove" that you haven't by undermining the test procedure by saying something like...oh...I don't know....it wasn't scientific enough for my liking.
And those mics are almost never used in a recording studio. This is the gold standard in studios for almost 70 years. Freq response graph at bottom.
https://en-de.neumann.com/u-87-ai#technical-data
Most engineers will filter out anything not in the instruments range. Why keep noise below 100hz in a recording of a female vocal? And the best filters are microphones.
With the classic HF peak. A lot of microphones that recordists love have a "presence" peak. To be fair the crooner sound popular in the 40's was better served by ribbons.
Most microphones have other useful characteristics. For example, RIBBON microphones are very often used for human voice. Why? Other microphones are directional, or more convenient to operate than B&K omni mikes, but Crystal Clear did many, many recordings with B&K 1/2" mikes, as have several others.
More convenient to operate? I take it your recording experience is very limited. Ribbons ARE directional, figure 8 pattern and I've never seen one used on vocals. And u87 have multiple patterns including omni. It's the inaccuracies that make studio microphones special that's why they have so many. John, stick to talking about designing electronics, and let the recording engineers tell people about recording.
Sorry totally confused.
You would have been embarrassed if you had made a statement that actually came from PMA (according to Jakob2). So, might that suggest you think PMA should be embarrassed instead?
I said it looked like there were unintended implications. Bill asked about it, so guess I needed to clarify.
In addition, I do not expect Bill to say it meant that PMA should be embarrassed. It just struck me as odd since I don't recall Bill ever criticizing (the ideas of) PMA. Of course, that only means I don't recall.
In addition, I do not expect Bill to say it meant that PMA should be embarrassed. It just struck me as odd since I don't recall Bill ever criticizing (the ideas of) PMA. Of course, that only means I don't recall.
Which you didn't need to
I think perhaps I tend to say things I don't need to as well... Still, sometimes one thing can lead to another which can be interesting....so long as no one gets hurt of course
I understand what you mean, but still not sure I agree. However this is most definately a beer level conversation now
Yeah, I feared this argument had been going on for even longer than I had realised. Until I joined here I had managed my adult life in blissful ignorance of the tribalism around this particular point and the total inability to reach any form of common understanding. Makes Brexit seem easy to negotiate!Can´t dispute that, but wanted to point out that imo the "extremity" isn´t the problem. I follow these discussions since the mid 1980s and the argumentation pattern have been more or less the same. The basis for stating the nonaudibility of some effects is and was always the thresholds of hearing and while neglecting the probability nature of these so-called thresholds (which are in fact anything else than thresholds
I agree with you on that. I just don't know how to break the circle.
The RCA 44-BX ribbon is well known and loved for many Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday, Cab Calloway, etc. recordings. NEVER is simply too simplistic here, it is possible that no one (or few) do it in contemporary recording practice.
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