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Old 23rd October 2019, 04:21 AM   #29821
indra1 is offline indra1  Indonesia
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... conflating a medical condition (daltonism) with claims of bat grade hearing, etc... is.
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... a small percentage of the population are not able to perceive difference in sound as large as 10 dB spl. .... Also we who can hear can not give them satisfactory explanation either. How do we explain the color green to those blind since birth?
As I see it, the conflating has nothing to do with my words, happened in your head, angers you then blame me, the lucky scoundrel. Not a respectable behavior just the same.

It is impossible to explain how a 10dB spl difference sounds like to those who can not hear the difference. You want other members to accept ability to hear a difference of 10 dB spl at 80 Hz as bat grade hearing? The third member I met who did not find such ability as normal to humans. I thought bats hear ultrasonics, but I wouldn't know. Judging from your post, seems you don't know much either about bat grade hearing. I find it difficult to follow your twisted line of reasoning.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 04:50 AM   #29822
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Please quote an example of a disruptive “mole” that harassed in any way innocent forum contributors over a 10dB SPL audibility.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 05:01 AM   #29823
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... So it turns out that you don't have any proof "that some are falsifying ABX test results, provide forged proof"....
You want proof? Fine.
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That happened to me too during subjective comparison. Then when the levels are matched for testing amps, the results changed...
Your statement I find extraordinary and shallow.

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A current source amp vs a voltage source, 2 amps into a single driver you demanded my proof of being able to hear a difference.

I find the claim you made shows much disrespect to all dedicated people working in audio, including Scott Wurcer, Bob Carver and Nelson Pass. The kind of difference I showed should be easy to hear for people with normal hearing. Should you say otherwise, I demand a proof beyond reasonable doubt, witnessed by 3 (three) people appointed by a court of law, showing that you are not able to hear that kind difference, along with a notarized statement from a certified otologist that you are in command of normal hearing. You may use a Firstwatt F1 as the current source and J2 as the voltage souce and any Lowther for the driver. And I am not paying.

I have never suggest, harass nor pester anyone for the purpose of making any member so uncomfortable that he choose to leave the forum. Disagreements are part of life.

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Old 23rd October 2019, 05:16 AM   #29824
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Please quote an example of a disruptive “mole” that harassed in any way innocent forum contributors over a 10dB SPL audibility.
It happened to the lucky scoundrel, not an innocent forum contributor. I honestly have no suspicion of intentional disruptive activity before being suggested to leave the forum. I won't quote, you can read about it starting here.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 05:29 AM   #29825
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You want proof? Fine.

Your statement I find extraordinary and shallow.

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A current source amp vs a voltage source, 2 amps into a single driver you demanded my proof of being able to hear a difference.

I find the claim you made shows much disrespect to all dedicated people working in audio, including Scott Wurcer, Bob Carver and Nelson Pass. The kind of difference I showed should be easy to hear for people with normal hearing. Should you say otherwise, I demand a proof beyond reasonable doubt, witnessed by 3 (three) people appointed by a court of law, showing that you are not able to hear that kind difference, along with a notarized statement from a certified otologist that you are in command of normal hearing. You may use a Firstwatt F1 as the current source and J2 as the voltage souce and any Lowther for the driver. And I am not paying.

I have never suggest, harass nor pester anyone for the purpose of making any member so uncomfortable that he choose to leave the forum. Disagreements are fact of life.
Where is the proof "that some are falsifying ABX test results, provide forged proof"?
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Old 23rd October 2019, 05:35 AM   #29826
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... "that some are falsifying ABX test results, provide forged proof"
Again total disregard of forum guideline no. 3, and holding Syn08 statement against me.

My statement :
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... However, a mole who works against the forum will ... He may even provide forged proof when somebody ask for it. We know falsifying ABX test to show inability to hear a difference is trivial for those who can hear. Additional indication for me would be that the mole would never show his true name...
You found my ability to hear a 10dB SPL difference as extraordinary claim. Give us proof supporting that.

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Old 23rd October 2019, 06:10 AM   #29827
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Old 23rd October 2019, 08:43 AM   #29828
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I'm losing the will to live......everything that's being discussed lately is subjective, isn't it?
Well, that's just your point of view

Edit: I share the analysis but not it's result.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 09:31 AM   #29829
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Opinions are great, I feel totally free to express them, as should anyone else. I was corrected recently when I misunderstood that an opinion had been expressed that appeared to me as a statement of fact. I think it wise to err on the side of caution and presume opinion is the default position of posts, it makes life so much simpler....
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Old 23rd October 2019, 10:27 AM   #29830
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Opinions are great, I feel totally free to express them, as should anyone else. I was corrected recently when I misunderstood that an opinion had been expressed that appeared to me as a statement of fact. I think it wise to err on the side of caution and presume opinion is the default position of posts, it makes life so much simpler....
It is, but you've to discover that secret obviously for yourself.....

A post like this:

"And nicely wrapped big set of words saying nothing."

is exactly opinion stated as fact, but usually most people are able to understand that it is just a subjective impression.

In general it would IMO even better to avoid expressing such purely negative subjective statements in favour of fruitful discussions, along the line that Max_Headroom posted before.
Of course, nobody´s perfect, but it doesn't harm to try, does it?
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