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Old 26th August 2018, 01:17 PM   #21
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will contact each of you , prior to shipping , just to ask for that specific - parts just for B. M25 , or SissySIT , or both

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Old 28th August 2018, 03:01 AM   #22
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Doesn’t make sense to not ask for both options does it? Especially since I already have Harris and others to play with. Please make my order Sissy/Babel compatible.

Just wanted to ask where others are sourcing their input trannies from here in the US...are the Cinemags the preferred flavor?
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Old 28th August 2018, 11:30 AM   #23
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Just wanted to ask where others are sourcing their input trannies from here in the US...are the Cinemags the preferred flavor?
I am not sure they are all the same thing. Not sure how ZM is implementing here as well. The turns ratio on the parts is different AFIAK.

Sound wise, IMO - Edcor from M2 listening, others from F6 listening
Edcor - Steel laminations - not most detailed, but makes everything sound pleasant on not feel like your missing anything.
Jensen - Well loved and respected. Sounds most ethereal and spacious. Slightly more detailed.
Cinemag-Hi Nickel Version - very detailed, yet sounds more gutsy than the Jensen.

So all kinds of music - Edcor,
Classical, vocal, Jazz - Jensen
Electronica, Rock , but fine with everything - Cinemag.

Take it, my ears have experience, but also age. I probably don't hear any highs anymore, so it could scream at 15k-20k I probably will not notice.
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Old 28th August 2018, 01:41 PM   #24
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Thanks for your impressions Tea.

Zen says in M25 thread that flavors are:


......4 options for signal autoformer (pinouts for all present on pcb):

-Edcor PC series 600:15K (same one as in original M2) , thus having gain of 6V/V

-Edcor PC series 600:600 , thus having gain of 4V/V (edit - only for this one it'll be needed few exacto cuts of traces and few tiny wire bridges soldering ;same physical layout of pins as previous one , but different electrical connection needed ..... very hard to accommodate without too much complication )

- Jensen JT-123-FLCPH (same one as in F6) , thus having gain of 4V/V

-Cinemag CMOQ-4LPC (same one as in SIT-3) , thus having gain of 4V/V

I am in the same boat as you with my hearing. I like to spend a quiet evening listening to Gardot, Kent and the like and any effort I spend spinning vinyl usually focuses on Jazz. However, I love R&B and my current set up just doesn’t have the stones in the right place for it.

It may have more to do with my TB W8-1808 coming up short in terms of sensitivity with the ACAs I built and put in the system a few months back. The bottom end extended a surprising amount, but they sound muted or dull compared to the gainclone I was using previously with the TB. The gainclone had an obvious hole in the mid bass region with the same speaker set up and I was trying to supplement with just a subwoofer.

It could also be that I am using the DCB1 I built as a pre. I’ve read that others have had better results with the ACA in having a pre with some gain especially when using speakers that had lower sensitivity. The only other option I currently have is an old Audible Illusions preamp that I would need to re-tube and do a few other things to. I don’t remember reading any comments about what pre has been most successfully used with the M2 or any of these related amps.

Right now I am trying to get through some work on a different arm for my table so I can try some MC carts. Afterward, I can finally try setting up some more sensitive Lowthers I have to try with the ACAs.

The Jensen are readily available, I’m going to give a call to Cinemag later.
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better to keep technical related posts to tech. thread .......

however , due to really minor differences in tiny parts , whoever ordered Babelfish M25 kit package #2 , will also get few difference making parts for SissySIT

who ordered SissySIT #2 option , will get what's needed for SissySIT - why sending IRFP240 , when you don't need it ..... and I can play with them
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Sorry Zen...got typing and diarrhea of thoughts...please delete as you see fit...I understand your point about the kit contents
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Finally getting all parts in quantity during next week .

Well, in my neck of wood , getting ACS Hall chips promptly is sorta complicated .... in fact just slow , not complicated

Anyway , during next week I'm going to visit my Eywa ....... and parts will be piled up while I'm away

So , next weekend (not this one , logically) BigBadaBoom soldering action - ZM against all those little Bugs, Day of Triffids ..... JFet Snake Attack ..... whatever

Then packing and shipping .... of course - First paid - First served
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Any updates on kits? Not that I dont have plenty to get done as is....

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in few days starting shipping

past the middle of soldering small bugz in first batch of kits

after that sorting small parts and packing is trivial

to remind (you, me , all) , with B. M25 I'll send few parts of difference to SissySIT , so you choose what to build
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