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Is  a subwoofer needed for musical enjoyment?? dont argue folks(discussion)
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Old 14th March 2004, 01:05 PM   #1
Andre Baptiste is offline Andre Baptiste  Trinidad and Tobago
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Hi people do you think adding a subwoofer going down flat to 20hz is sense?? for 100% music........sorry if dis may seem to be a stupid ques
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Old 14th March 2004, 01:15 PM   #2
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No. Most music I listen to doesn't go below 42Hz and my stereo speakers do that. I know there are supposed to be benefits for the midrange but IMO too much bass gets in the way.... *showing my age*.
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Old 14th March 2004, 01:27 PM   #3
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I donīt need one.
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Old 14th March 2004, 01:32 PM   #4
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My speaker system is good to slightly below 30Hz.
What will a sub add?
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Old 14th March 2004, 01:32 PM   #5
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42 Hz is 4 string bassguitar, Piano goes down to 27 or something,

If you have little monitor speakers than you benefit from a sub in a big way, If you have medium monitor speakers you'll have significant benefits, pending on the F3 of your monitors

If you have large floorstanders than the benefts are smaller.

If you only play music than you don't need a sub down to 20Hz. If you use one that is a little less heavy and plays well to 30Hz you probably are better off for music alone.
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Old 14th March 2004, 01:48 PM   #6
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I actually have 3 subs, 2 for music and one for HT. I dont play them together.
I find that for music you need a sub that goes down to 20 hz or so. Output is not really of importance, as long as the quality of the bass is there. A good musical sub ( not a boum boum machine) adds a sense of grandeur to the music that you dont achieve with small speakers.
1- The key is to cross it low enough that it doesn't start to play at the same frequencies that your mains are capable of.
2- You have to set the volume low enough that you dont actually hear the subs but only feel them. One mistake that most people do is to set the volume way too high, this is were you loose the original purpose of having the subs in the first place.

For HT you dont really want to go to 20 hz , 30 hz is good enough, what HT needs is decibel output. You can see that the specs are different for music/ HT
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Old 14th March 2004, 02:10 PM   #7
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Is  a subwoofer needed for musical enjoyment?? dont argue folks(discussion)
As with most things related to creation of an illusion, it depends on the preferences of the listener.

For me, getting real bass extension greatly contributes to the illusion of hall space and to the articulation of notes.
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Old 14th March 2004, 04:34 PM   #8
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While watching a Sade concert DVD last week, I noticed the bass drum shaking the room. Many/most movies include bass deep enough to shake the room, but I wasn't expecting it with music. With my curiosity up, I fired up my RTA. I was surprised to find strong 20Hz output...apparently from that smallish bass drum!

I mentioned this to a drummer friend and he clued me in to the fact that drummers now use electronic "triggers" on drums to introduce a variety of effects including the sound of different head materials, drum depth, etc, etc. So, no surprise to my friend, the drummer on this DVD was apparently "triggering" deeper bass than the drum itself could produce. I've since checked a couple other concerts I remembered having deep bass & they also had fairly strong content to 20Hz.

So, if you want to hear & feel everything, take your system to 20Hz...and below.

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Old 14th March 2004, 08:47 PM   #9
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Paul,

Didn't knew that.

If that becomes widespread it would put a whole different perspective of the use of subs for music only

Even large floorstanders often do not extend below 30Hz or so
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Old 14th March 2004, 09:05 PM   #10
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JMO but for music extension to 20hz, though not needed to allow
enjoyment of music, is the icing on the cake of a good system.

I don't have extension to 20hz at the moment, around 30Hz, and
the extra clues it gives to ambient acoustic sizes is surprising.

I can't see how proper extension to 20Hz could possibly make a
system worse, and can see that it would be very good for a system.


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