Panasonic obsolete Bjts replacements

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Found this info:
where Q320 IS LISTED, Q329 is ment. Typo , misprint or scanerror.
Uneven numbers are the left channel.


10mv x 8 bjts (4pnp/4npn) i meant.
6 junctions? There is 4 pair of bjts each channel.

Elaborate (left ch, top2btm, "//" is parallel):
Q325 - (Q329 - Q337//Q341)//(Q333 - Q345//Q349): 3 junctions
(Q351//Q347 - Q335)//(Q343//Q339 - Q331) - Q327: 3 junctions
3+3=6
Total bias voltage is some ≥ 4Vdc expected. (Calculation of bias net needed.)

When you say central heating 54w do you mean the 72/76v supply? The 82v unreg is not important here?
Regulated +/-82Vdc is for front stages, neglectable.

Nads designer of this amp said this was running in class A up to 10w? So not any truth to that?
What would you do to let this amp run wither higher bias/ class A? Is it even possible?

I am wrong! The Pd 54W total is ok, but not the classcalc.
Say every branch 50mA, 4 branches per channel. Yields 200mAdc
Swing can be from +200 mA to -200 mA, 400mA toptop total.
Iac is approx 1/3 of toptop value (sinuswave for simplicity), 133 mA.
PclassA = Iexp2 * Zload -> Zload = 8Ω to start with.
(0.133)exp2 * 8 = 0.14W

You can do the bridge mode (twice the toptop value) calculation yourself.
But in the end it proofs to yank up the idle to a max permitted value to prevent nasty switching of bjt's. (Despite more or less succesfull solutions.)
I'd prefer for this reason only classA amps (Iset ≥ 1A); think Hiraga or Pass.

As a rule of thumb, as long as I can keep my hand on the central heating, it's fine. I do not know the NAD designer nor the claim 'n proof.

I’m thinking recap, retran(?) this Thing so it hold for me at least 10yrs and it will be my main amp.
Good. It is a solid design, Krell-like. If I had to live with an AB-amp, such was the topology.

So basically it seems like its quite easy to replace all trannies with 5200/1943 (basically plug and play)
I'm currently & still developping a class A amp around these 5200-1943 bjt's in an alternative bridged Hiraga with 4-5A idle per side, some 25WA@8. Pdiss is 300W -- not very green...
 
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I am wrong!

Quoting myself is not customary, but I'm wrong again...
I haven't done these calc's lately, so after posting I didn't sleep well until I woke up screaming what I'm quoting now (not customary either).

Vset TP301-303 = 8mV +/- 2mV; Re = 0.22Ω
Iidle = 8mV/0.22= 36mA
4 branches yields 144mA, say 0.15A

Top value before other side switches off (lineair Vbe curve for simplicity) is 0.3A. AC current is (sinus for simplicity) 0.7 * 0.3 = 0.21A
Pa = Iexp2 * ZL (8Ω) = (0.21)exp2 * 8 = 0.35W

This is the same for bridge mode, because it only counts when bjt's switch of running in B mode. In bridge there is a larger voltage swing, but bjt-switching-off is at the same currents.


To prevent to much consecutive posts as were it wirings on social platforms, the bias calc is as follows:
Q323: 2 * Vbe = 1.3V approx, continuous value
Q321: (680+220+100)/(220+100)*Vbe = 1000/320*0.7 = 2.2V min
Q321: (680+220)/(220)*Vbe = 900/220*0.7 = 2.9V max
Total Vbias range Q323 + Q321 = 3.5 -- 4.2 Vdc (expected was 4V)


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Regulators for lower current sections (preamp, regulated VAS, etc) often get put on heat sinks that are barely good enough for the dissipation, and get run that hot 24/7. Hence, all the discolored PCBs and oxidized solder joints you often see in vintage gear. If there is a place to put a bigger heat sink on it, by all means do it.
 
Have checked fleabay and Aliexpress and don’t find any heatsink that supports 2 trannies in that size. Can only be higher. Packed with components around. Thinking of extending original sink with some copper fins/plates.


Whatabout the main psu caps, they seem a bit on the small side considering ”big amp”... footprint of them is 30x52mm so any bigger wont fit, for example 5600uf/100v is 35mm
 
The +/-17v heatsinks are quite small they get hot as heck including 2pcs 1k/1w fusible resistors.
Also the other heater have 4x100R /1w fusible too and you can boil egg on those.

A1493/C3788 that are sitting pushed down on each channel doesn’t have a heatsink at all and can’t barely touch them with my fingers.

What was Nad thinking? The S200 looks the same
 
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