Zenotron is a power amp with only 2 JFET and 2 MOSFET.
It has lots of distortion.
Can it be improved, maybe?
If You apply emitter follower between the 2 stages, will increase the performance. Most of the distortion resulted by the nonlinear Cdg capacitance of the output devices.
sajti
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Zenotron is a power amp with only 2 JFET and 2 MOSFET.
It has lots of distortion.
Can it be improved, maybe?
Link: 2A & DIY
Schema:
If you want to minimize the number of active components, how about two? Is it too many?
Zero Feedback Transformer Audio Power Amplifier
The Transformer audio Power amplifier...has not two but four active devices....
where especially the last High Current transformer is a limiting factor...
besides it has really nothing to zenotron...
I agree with Saity... A Stage in between the input and output would do some good....Some better drive of the mossfets would be good...
Thinking something like the current mirror in your J-fet-amplifier (mirrored to each rail and ...made from 2SA970 SC2240) with a resistor in the center to give the right bias spreading....
where especially the last High Current transformer is a limiting factor...
besides it has really nothing to zenotron...
I agree with Saity... A Stage in between the input and output would do some good....Some better drive of the mossfets would be good...
Thinking something like the current mirror in your J-fet-amplifier (mirrored to each rail and ...made from 2SA970 SC2240) with a resistor in the center to give the right bias spreading....
MiiB.Thinking something like the current mirror in your J-fet-amplifier (mirrored to each rail and ...made from 2SA970 SC2240)
with a resistor in the center to give the right bias spreading....
I did a mirror.
It is absolute the perfect solution. Gives easier load onto JFETs.
The distortion became better with a factor of more than 10 times.
See Image.
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I have one easy mod that lower distortion much.
The feedback resistors which set gain is high 5.6k and 180 Ohm.
When make it 180 Ohm and 10 Ohm it lowers distortion
at 1 Watt from 0.775% to THD 0.245%
See schematic.
With this action You increase the open loop gain. So more feedback, means less THD.
Sajti
I added two drivers 2N5551/2N5401 to the MOSFETs.
This lowered the THD wiith a factor 6.
THD 0.035 at 1 Watt.
If one is not concerned about 1% THD at 16 Watt
then my change of feedback resistors will do.
Do BOTH of them. Lower feedback resistors, and emitter follower!
Sajti
Unfortunately adding drivers too, did not improve.Do BOTH of them. Lower feedback resistors, and emitter follower!
Sajti
THD 0.017% vs THD 0.014% without drivers.
At 16 Watt 8 Ohm is now THD 0.103%Here using 2SK170BL/2SJ74BL and run mirror at 5 mA.
THD at 1 Watt is now 0.014%
My original Zenotron had THD 2% something
Lineup,
Have you seen the Pass F5 schematic? It is almost exactly the same as this. The hard work has been done for you.
Try independent feeback paths for each half of the circuit as per his design. You should be able to sim 0.005% distortion or better with his circuit.
Do you mean Zen variation 5.
I know Pass has done two HEXFET with output from Drain.
The complementary Zen.
http://www.passdiy.com/pdf/zen-v5-hires.pdf
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EDIT.
Yes, I see F5 is like you say.
http://www.dms-audio.com/system/files/F5-Nelson.pdf
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Here I have feedback to each JFET.
LIke Nelson Pass in his F5.
It does not change much. Same level of THD.
Like with normal feedback.
And as good and low as 0.011%
The dist spectrum is interesting.
Image shows Fourier at 8 Watt and 0.041% THD
LIke Nelson Pass in his F5.
It does not change much. Same level of THD.
Like with normal feedback.
And as good and low as 0.011%
The dist spectrum is interesting.
Image shows Fourier at 8 Watt and 0.041% THD
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Zenotron is a power amp with only 2 JFET and 2 MOSFET.
It has lots of distortion.
Can it be improved, maybe?
Link: 2A & DIY
Schema:
Topology looks more like Hiraga's "le monstre" topology about the URLs
Amplificateur DIY - Le monstre 8W
http://belinfabien.free.fr/amplificateur/le monstre/schema/schema_ampli.png
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/32611-le-monstre-2.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/5462-hiraga-le-monstre-4.html
and not as a combination consisting of the "ZEN" - and the "CSPP/Circlotron topology.
If you want to minimize the number of active components, how about two? Is it too many?
Zero Feedback Transformer Audio Power Amplifier
How can I transform it in the totem pole topology about
http://www.susan-parker.co.uk/zeus.htm
but with transistors instead a phase shift transformer?
And how can I transform it in a real circlotron topology also without transformer (but with four supply rails - two for the input stage) ??
For the last case there is already a thread:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/146586-conversion-hiragas-le-monstre-circlotron.html
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