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42476 18th January 2021 12:04 AM

Satori MR 16 is the one to try to beat
I get below 80 Hz and above 4 KHz in a closed box. My favorite driver on the planet right now is the Satori MR16 Papyrus...TexTreme had better beat this by a very large margin or I will stick with what I know to be TRUE!

cowanaudio 18th January 2021 12:42 AM

All the Satori drivers are stunning. A no brainer when their cost is taken into account.

hifijim 18th January 2021 04:19 AM

Long ago I read that in order to get a 10% increase in performance or qualitative value, the cost must double. I have found this to be true in many areas of life, from cars, to fishing equipment, to whiskey, to woodworking tools, to dinner at restaurants, and yes, loudpeaker drivers.

Given the 6" textreme driver is about 60% more than the 6" papyrus driver, it is probably somewhat better, but I do not expect it to be better by a "very large margin"...

42476 18th January 2021 05:12 AM

Yep, it is what it is. I have had many high performance cars, cameras, women, whiskey, etc...twice??? maybe...try 10 times!!! I was at the London Hilton during a Royal wedding; I had the most beautiful woman on the planet approach me in the elevator (the "lift")...she asked me if I needed company....WOW...another story for another time!!!! I think my best 2-way was a 5 inch Accuton (with the ears cut outs) and a Raven R2 ribbon...WOW...hard to beat for sure...come on TexTreme 5 inch...go go go...

Patrick Bateman 18th January 2021 05:32 AM

B&C 8NDL51, though much larger, works in a smaller box. Has an efficiency that's comparable, more displacement, and costs 15% less. The B&C can produce more output than FOUR of the SB drivers.

SB Acoustics is really nice, but the 8NDL51 is tough to beat.

B&C 8NDL51 8" Neodymium Woofer

cowanaudio 18th January 2021 09:36 AM

Four of the Satori drivers have a 94dB/2.83V/M sensitivity with a 120W power handling. These four drivers have a P-P Linear displacement 295cm^3.

The B&C 8NDL51 also has a 94dB/2.83V/M sensitivity and a 400W power handling. Its P-P linear displacement is 154cm^3.

So the B&C has a 5.2dB advantage in maximum output in the midrange. The Satori Mids have a 5.6dB displacement advantage at the low end, allowing more crossover flexibility. The Satori Mids will hit almost 115dB at 1M minus thermal compression. This is stupid loud in a domestic environment and hardly a useful argument for using the B&C.

My experience with the Satori midwoofers is they will go louder in a domestic environment than I need them to when used in a three way system in pairs or singles.

For domestic use I would rather the more attractive aesthetic of the Satori driver and the smaller CTC spacing it would afford.

I have used the 8NDL51 drivers in the past in a Unity horn with the BMS 4550. That build gets beaten up with over 1KW per box in a nightclub and sounds fantastic. There's no chance I would want that at home though.

42476 18th January 2021 08:47 PM

Well, I was specifically talking about the MR16 as a broadband mid, I also had the MW16 but sold them. I am hoping the TexTreme MW13 will work as a broad band mid since we learned that SB will not introduce a MR13 mid any time soon. It has a rather small Sd for that diameter I believe so I hope it can easily reach 4 KHz. And, as I said earlier; if I'm not satisfied with the range; I could try it in a small 2-way for office use, etc. What I like about the MR16 is goes low and high both and has really good resolution and detail for a driver that size, almost like a purpose built full range driver but with more "guts" (plenty loud enough for my listening space anyway). I also use a MA Pluvia 7PHD in the same band because it has transients that rival a very well designed tweeter so it gives the upper mids more realism than the MR16 by itself.

danny_66 18th January 2021 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by oldspkrguy (
I think my best 2-way was a 5 inch Accuton (with the ears cut outs) and a Raven R2 ribbon...WOW...hard to beat for sure...come on TexTreme 5 inch...go go go...

A 6" Accuton mid and a Raal are also singing along nicely ;)

42476 19th January 2021 06:41 AM

Which Accuton and RAAL models? Out of my price range for now; that's why I'm hoping the TexTremes live up to the hype.

danny_66 19th January 2021 04:24 PM

The Accuton C173-6-090 and the Raal 140-15Dam,
they're in my RefSpeaker.
Yes, the price went considerable up, I bought the Accutons at 400€

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