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jfetter 26th March 2018 12:56 AM

Capture and Layout
 
Im looking at returning to orcad capture and layout. My versions 9 and 9.1 are purchased. Its been fun with Eagle also purchased, but don't see any reason to start new projects.

jan.didden 26th March 2018 06:59 AM

Are you offering capture & layout to other members here?

Jan

jfetter 26th March 2018 11:07 AM

jan , no just sharing my thoughts on going forward.
Ive been using Eagle for almost ten years, have completed many projects with it but the situtation looks ugly with Autocad's super locked down subscription.
At least I have an alternative with Orcad even if it is an old version. Did many projects with it too but can't run on any of the new windows. Runs under wine and OSX with Crossover.

rsavas 31st March 2018 04:05 PM

i do not think that orcad9 will run on win10.

jfetter 1st April 2018 03:05 PM

It runs on Xp,Vista and the win emulators.

Vista was my last microsoft product.

bwaslo 3rd April 2018 12:43 AM

Probably not complete enough if you're doing large scale or lots of more advanced design, but I was actually pretty impressed with online layout tool at PCBWeb (PCBWeb - Free PCB Design Software).

Tubelab_com 3rd April 2018 01:31 AM

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using Eagle for almost ten years......but the situtation looks ugly with Autocad's super locked down subscription.
I have been using Eagle since DOS version 2.6, about 25 years. At the time the Cadsoft USA office was in Boca Raton Florida about a 5 minute drive from where I worked and went to school. I could drive over there for help and bug fixes.

I have made over 100 PC board designs including one that sold over 250K units. I'm still using Eagle 5.11 since pricing structure is now beyond the Tubelab budget. To make matters worse, none of the libraries created in V6.00 or later can be read by my old version.

Has anyone tried Design Spark V8.0 or 8.1? Will it still import old Eagle designs and libraries? I have created a lot of custom library parts in 25 years.

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Im looking at returning to orcad capture and layout.
I used the very early Orcad stuff between tape / mylar and Eagle. We used Mentor Graphics and Cadence PCB tools at work. Orcad and Cadence were very similar products at one point, but I never really liked either. That may just be because of 20 + years of driving Eagle and Mentor Graphics.

dchisholm 3rd April 2018 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jfetter (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/software-tools/320623-capture-layout-post5384611.html#post5384611)
. . . sharing my thoughts on going forward.
Ive been using Eagle for almost ten years . . . .
At least I have an alternative with Orcad even if it is an old version. . . . can't run on any of the new windows. . . .

I don't follow your reasoning. If your out-of-date-but-fairly-recent copy of Eagle is performing acceptably, why would you drop it in favor of an even older copy of Orcad, which is so out-of-date it won't run on a current operating system?

I'm not one to push for the most recent software release without a solid justification. I ran Win2K up until the release of Win7. (In retrospect, probably should have upgraded to XP. Right now my intention is to learn Linux when Win7 becomes impractical.) One of my machines still runs Office 97.

For schematic and layout, I clocked many hours with my copy of PADS (obtained for a freelance gig), then more than a decade with P-CAD due to another gig. Before, after, and between those experiences I had my hands on Orcad, Mentor, Zuken, and a couple others for anywhere from several hours to a few months. Now, software tools DO "wear out" in the sense that the industry requires new capabilities (e.g., controlled impedances or matched trace lengths), truly useful new features appear and accumulate over time, or a program becomes incompatible with current hardware or operating systems. But if a program is doing the job in a satisfactory manner, I understand the motivation to keep it in-service as long as possible.

For three years I have been exclusively on KiCAD, the no-charge open-source schematic and layout software. It has not been easy to learn - perhaps because I kept wanting it to be just like one of the other EDA programs I have used. (Version 5, expected for release this summer but in preview now, promises to remove some of those learning barriers.) Even so, I can turn out work that is every bit the equal of what I did in P-CAD or PADS. And if I have a need for modern features like matched lengths, 3-D modeling, or a 24-layer board, those features are just waiting for me to learn how to use them.

Dale

jfetter 3rd April 2018 04:45 AM

Well two reasons to go back to orcad v9, looking at the finished products, the orcad boards just look beter.
The other is how simple it is to change a library part while using layout or capture.
I really like that. Eagle is not difficult to do same but orcad is just cleaner. The "free shared libraries" are off grid etc and with version compatibility issues. So I usually end up having to create a new part anyway. That too is cleaner on orcad.

dchisholm 5th April 2018 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jfetter (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/software-tools/320623-capture-layout-post5393295.html#post5393295)
. . . . The "free shared libraries" are off grid etc and with version compatibility issues. So I usually end up having to create a new part anyway. . . .

As a matter of course, I expect to spend anywhere from 20% to 90% of the total effort on a board layout, doing "library work".

I wish there was some reproducible way to rate a program's tools for creating symbols and footprints. I think that anybody (or any company) who does more than two or three boards ends up creating and maintaining their own libraries of symbols and footprints. Even so, the marketing hype tries to convince us that an EDA program with 2 million parts in its library is at least twice as good as the program with only 1 million. The people who have never laid out a board (e.g., managers, IT, and inexperienced novices) fall for this kind of hype.

Just once, I'd like to see a program that says,"We give you a library of a couple thousand parts to get started. After you've done your first board, you'll know how to make your own symbols and footprints with little effort.".

Dale


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