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jfetter 26th November 2016 06:21 PM

music archive, 100 year method
I guess its an OCD thing but I want to archive my music somehow for long term storage in a remote location.

The library is now around 600Gb containing lossless m4a apple and some MP3.
Not worried about the format as m4a is open source and BSD/Linux will be here a thousand years from now.

As an experiment I have burried a couple of flash thumbs in back yard and dug up after one year. They were wrapped in aluminum foil and suspended in a glass jar, embedded in unscented paraffin. Yes bees wax is better.

They worked perfectly after I retrieved and downloaded. The foil helps even out temperature when melting wax. It keeps the wax out too.

Maybe a public wilderness preserve is the best location. Natural landmarks required as GPS may not work properly.

I lost a camping cache once as the terrain had drastically changed and when I tried to locate, no avail digging many holes. Metel detector could not pick up because it was around two feet down.

Like I said, OCD? maybe.

Any better ideas? Please do not say 'icloud':mad:.

Mooly 26th November 2016 06:46 PM

I don't think flash drive can be relied on unless it is periodically powered up and refreshed.

I would say at this point that carefully archived original CD's (not recordable media) might be the best bet, but that doesn't fit with stuff you have that exists just as digital files.

If you are serious about this then I would suggest using media available today (flash drive and HDD) and being prepared to copy that over to new technology as it appears, say every 8 to 10 yrs.

jfetter 27th November 2016 05:26 PM

Yep don't know, have the originals in 6 banker boxes (less jewell cases) and some have already separated so there is definitely a finite life on even the originals.

Add the pdf references - books - all archived work projects and takes about 1.3Tb. Probably could get it down to 1Tb. Under $100 each at the moment.

I can't be the only OCD archiver.

The USB3 flash drive is probably best option at this point as USB will be around for a while.


Andersonix 28th November 2016 09:06 PM

In well under 100 years you've already lost a WHOLE CAMPING CACHE two feet down, so perhaps you ought to reconsider the Cloud?

Enzo 29th November 2016 12:07 AM

And we are assuming in 100 years there will remain a way to read a USB stick (assuming). Not unlike today if someone hands you a floppy. You might find a 3.5" floppy reader somewhere, but how many systems can now read a 5" or an 8"? NASA has tons of telemetry data from the earlier years of the space program... and no way to read it. It ran on systems that were scrapped decades ago, and no one writes the software for it.

jfetter 29th November 2016 06:01 AM

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I'm thinking - here is the plan.

Buy one or more usb3 hard drives and bury one or more 'off site' . (I believe is the official IT term.)
They are hermetic sealed in paraffin and weight neutral in the soil.

If using flash , count on 3 year retention. If you never need to recover, then abandon in place and blow it off as price of your icloud insurance.

Another issue with the icloud is changing laws. Maybe what is stored on your icloud drive is one day declared illegal by some future goverment? omg. :spin:

Max Headroom 29th November 2016 07:58 AM

New 1,000-Year DVD Disc Writes Data in Stone, Literally


Ron E 29th November 2016 10:36 AM

I have CD-R's from just a few years ago that are unreadable. In 2001, I put a 1 year old file backup CD-R (it had a freeware program I wanted to share with a friend who didn't have internet) into my win98 PC and it locked up and eventually blue screened as I waited. I hit the power button and the computer would no longer boot. I bought a new HDD and installed linux on it and then plugged in the old drive and recovered my files (it still worked but the file system was trashed somehow.

I recently bought an M-disc capable blueray drive and some m discs ($4 each) but haven't used them yet. Backing up 150GB of music and another 100GB of files in 4.7GB chunks is not my idea of a good time.

250/4.7=~53 discs or $212. For not much more than that I can buy a few 3TB discs and a NAS. Get an external drive and copy the NAS to it every so often and store it offsite. If you are paranoid about your data, magnetic media is the most proven option and having at least three copies of your data is best.

Get a server class tape drive and do monthly backups and store them in a safe deposit box ;)

Mooly 29th November 2016 06:54 PM


Ms Stewart said one of the biggest problems was the shortage of equipment to play the outdated tapes.
"The whole infrastructure in relation to video is just disappearing," she said.
"There are technicians who want to retire. We can't let them go until we've got this stuff off these two-inch and one-inch formats.
"There's a limited pool of people who know how to do it. There's a limited pool of machines. The guy who runs the archive is collecting the stuff from car boot sales."
Basil Brush and Tiswas among 'at risk' TV shows, says BFI - BBC News

jfetter 29th November 2016 08:02 PM

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Umm.... are we not still using Seattle's old disk operating that microsoft purchased?

Of course its been renamed several times , think the latest is fat32. NTFS was superior but the product failed.

My old 10.1 SUSE linux box can read every file system known although I can't remember what my CP/M s100 used.

I also had an Ohio Scientific 6502, a Sym-1 6502 with cassettes. Never used SWTP 6800/0 so dont know about that one. Had a Radio Shack CoCo with OS9 and a Model100 with Rs232 floppy.

Any good forensic system can even today read old data cassette files.

If someone says it cannot be read is simply a $$$ issue or they don't want to be bothered with it.

I think we are safe archiving with fat, ext2 or any of the Unix variations.
I'm currently using Apple's BSD dos but not sure how long it will be in widespread use since Steve has passed.


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