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tlarwa 24th December 2014 06:20 PM

"Tweaking" the Super Pensil 12.2p - Advice?
 
I've got them built, and up and running (see thread here http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-...ml#post4159740). They sound terrific so far, but I'm wondering what improvements I can expect with stuffing and/or positioning tweaks. Right now, they are stuffed with 1# of poly fill (well teased) per cabinet. I also have the upper walls lined with 1/8" F11 acoustical felt. They are currently positioned about 36" from the back wall and about 13" off the side walls (to the center of the baffle), with a little toe in (see picture). They are 110" apart (center to center) and my listening position is about 100" back (I can adjust that easily enough).

Not knowing what these can ultimately achieve, I'm wondering what I can expect with more/less stuffing or a different positioning set-up. Sick with they are front ported, I'm thinking that the distance from the rear wall isn't critical (I may be wring) but I'm not so sure about the side wall distance.

Any suggestions? It's easy enough to change the position (although I'd like to leave my Forte II's in relatively the same place). But I need to pull the drivers to adjust the stuffing, and I dont want to do that any more often than absolutely necessary.

Thanks for your sage advice and suggestions...

Tom

tlarwa 24th December 2014 07:03 PM

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Here's the front wall as it is currently...

chrisb 24th December 2014 08:46 PM

1) Hundred of hours of operating before they fully settle in
2) What are you powering them with?

Due to their size, all of my listening to this combo have been at Jeff's place with either of his two tube amps ( Pete Millett's Engineer's amp, or Jolida 302) .

These puppies do not camouflage any idiosyncrasies of upstream components - you might find that once they've settled in, that might be the best place to look at upgrades

of course, you need to invest in "special" speaker wire :D

planet10 24th December 2014 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisb (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/planet-10-hifi/266872-tweaking-super-pensil-12-2p-advice-post4162806.html#post4162806)
of course, you need to invest in "special" speaker wire :D

It does take some time to unravel the wires in a CAT5/6 cable, and then for best performance build them into a cable.

dave

tlarwa 24th December 2014 09:13 PM

Powered by my fully rebuilt Fisher 400. Front end is an Empire 208/Jelco 750D/Denon DL-103r table into a Parks Audio Budgie tubed phono preamp. So while not the best, certainly not a slouch. Next step is a SET amp after the holidays...

tlarwa 25th December 2014 04:11 AM

To reiterate, I'm in no way dissatisfied with them at this point, I'm just curious what effect stuffing and placement tweaking will have.

zman01 25th December 2014 06:35 AM

Tom,

Beautiful build. Enjoy!

Looks like you all got the basics in place already regarding the stuffing and lining. The A12P does very well in the Super Pensil cabinet.

tlarwa 25th December 2014 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by zman01 (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/planet-10-hifi/266872-tweaking-super-pensil-12-2p-advice-post4163020.html#post4163020)
Looks like you all got the basics in place already regarding the stuffing and lining. The A12P does very well in the Super Pensil cabinet.

Thanks, zman. I'll let them run in for a while to see how they improve on their own before I make any potential adjustments.

Tom

withavee 30th September 2015 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlarwa (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/planet-10-hifi/266872-tweaking-super-pensil-12-2p-advice-post4162983.html#post4162983)
To reiterate, I'm in no way dissatisfied with them at this point, I'm just curious what effect stuffing and placement tweaking will have.

Rather than start a new thread I searched all things "stuffing" and found this and it mirrors my question perfectly (although not so much the placement).

I am very happy with my recently finished pensil 7.3's they sound great but as with the OP I wonder is there more? I would like to know how stuffing affects the speaker output? I have stuffed with 355grams of polyfill as per the plans but was wondering when or why would I change this amount? I know I can just try it but if go to the trouble of removing the backs would I go more or less? What can I expect to hear? Are there any rules like smaller room = less stuffing etc?

Thanks
p.s. I have over 100 hours low level "radio" run in during cabinet build and then a bit more moderate level music listening since finishing.

withavee 30th September 2015 08:47 AM

One more thing, I noticed in a few threads guys are talking about felt or similar on the inside top panel. Is this just on the larger cabinets or would the 7.3's benefit from this as well?


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