Seeking a mA-range adjustable current limiter for +/- 12V supply

Hi all :D

I'm looking for a circuit to limit the current output from a TLE2426 + BUF634A rail splitter. The 634A is rated at 250mA output, so I reckon a limit of 100mA each for the + and - rails is suitable. Accuracy isn't super important, as long as it's within 5% or so. A bit of a voltage drop (say, 1V or so) is no problem.

A real bonus would be to have LEDs that indicate when the current limiting is active.

I've looked at various efuses, but their lower current limit is too high for models that can handle 15V (e.g. the TI ones start at 400mA). I'm also not 100% sure how one would go about using this with a negative supply.

I thought of a LM317 and 337 to do the limiting, but then there's the 2.5V drop to consider. And I'm not sure how to incorporate the LED indicators here. There are low dropout regs (e.g. LT1083), but I can't find negative versions that work in the same way.

It might be simpler to do the current limiting before the TLE2426 :scratch:

Any ideas, good people?
 
Such a circuit could easily be designed by some members of this forum, including me, but I am pretty sure that it already exists somewhere on the internet: make a reallly good search, with the right terms, on specialized sites like seekic or Johnson's schematics collection and others, magazines circuits ideas (EDN, elecDesign,...) and you will find something, maybe not exactly what you are looking for but a circuit that can be adapted according to your needs.
In fact, I might already have designed such a thing myself, but I do not know where it could hide in my digital archives.
I have designed a limiter for members Vasko and AV-trouvaille on this site, but it is a latching type, not quite what you are looking for.
Keep searching, you will find something.....
 
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How do you feel about using a dual gang (two section) potentiometer to adjust the current limit?

How do you feel about using an opamp, a current sense resistor, and a voltage comparator, per rail?

How do you feel about using parts only available in SMD?

How many components is too many? How complex is too complex?
 
Hi all :D

I'm looking for a circuit to limit the current output from a TLE2426 + BUF634A rail splitter. The 634A is rated at 250mA output, so I reckon a limit of 100mA each for the + and - rails is suitable
What is the actual problem you are trying to solve? :confused:
Please describe it in detail.
Accuracy isn't super important, as long as it's within 5% or so.
You joking? :D
A bit of a voltage drop (say, 1V or so) is no problem.
Same thing.
Your goals are a tad unrealistic :rolleyes:
A real bonus would be to have LEDs that indicate when the current limiting is active.
Just curious, why do you think circuit would go into current limiting?
You expect regular output shorting?


I thought of a LM317 and 337 to do the limiting, but then there's the 2.5V drop to consider.
Welcome to the Real World.
 

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DontHertzMe;6819623There are low dropout regs (e.g. LT1083) said:
maybe because negative regulators are not really required, the LT data sheets show how to regulate negative voltages with a positive regulator;
what you define as GND is entirely your choice, a 3-pin regulator doesn't know about GND, it doesn't even have a GND pin, it just compares the voltage difference between Output and Adjust to it's internal Reference ...
 

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Keep searching, you will find something.....
I spent a couple of hours digging here on DIYAudio and elsewhere, but thank you for the suggested sites - I will dig onward :D!

How do you feel about using a dual gang (two section) potentiometer to adjust the current limit?

How do you feel about using an opamp, a current sense resistor, and a voltage comparator, per rail?

How do you feel about using parts only available in SMD?

How many components is too many? How complex is too complex?
I'm happy with all of those things. SMD was a no-go for a while, but since I made a hotplate assembly is much easier. As for complexity, I don't mind complex (within reason - 50 components might be a bit much :D)

What is the actual problem you are trying to solve? :confused:
Please describe it in detail.

You joking? :D

Just curious, why do you think circuit would go into current limiting?
You expect regular output shorting?
The actual problem is that the BUF634 has a current limit that I don't want to exceed. I don't foresee short circuits being a problem, it's more for safety reasons - no need to cook the 634 in case something goes awry with a prototype. As for joking about 5%, nope. Surely a tolerance of 95 - 105mA is reasonable?

I don't know how your splitter / buffer thingy works because you didn't show it.
But here's an idea how to do current limiting with standard regulators in front of voltage regulation WITH indicator LED.
Thank you, that looks great! The splitter circuit in question is here: Virtual Ground Circuits . It's the last schematic toward the bottom of the page.

maybe because negative regulators are not really required, the LT data sheets show how to regulate negative voltages with a positive regulator;
Good point. I had actually forgotten about flipping positive regulators :idea:
 
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IF you are able to source a dual gang, ten ohm, 1 watt potentiometer ... ... (a big IF) ... ... then this circuit is reasonably simplistic. The pot is there to provide smooth infinitely variable adjustment range (instead of a finite number of discrete steps). You could of course replace it with a DP4T rotary switch and some 1% resistors, if you only wanted four different output current settings. That might actually be an option {holding your nose} if you can't find the dual gang pot in stock anywhere.


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Here is a possibility:

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It handles the two polarities, and is adjustable with a single potentiometer from ~0 to 150mA or even more.
Each side has a LED indicating the limitation.


Here it is shown with P varied from 0 to 140K:

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The outputs are on the collectors of Q1 Q4. The diode and current sources are the loads, to illustrate the operation.

It will drop a max of ~0.4V at 100mA output.
 

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Something simple could do . The mosfets will need cooling.
And for 100 mA you'll need a low ohm trimmer .
Below your current limit and with low mosfets Rdson , the voltage drop over the emiter R , and total voltage drop will be below 0,6 V.
 

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IF you are able to source a dual gang, ten ohm, 1 watt potentiometer ... ... (a big IF) ... ... then this circuit is reasonably simplistic. The pot is there to provide smooth infinitely variable adjustment range (instead of a finite number of discrete steps). You could of course replace it with a DP4T rotary switch and some 1% resistors, if you only wanted four different output current settings. That might actually be an option {holding your nose} if you can't find the dual gang pot in stock anywhere.


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Mark,

To avoid non-vanilla parts, use a 10 ohm resistor with a pot across it.
 
Something worth considering: if the limiter(s) is to be used with a rail splitter, the primary supply will be unipolar. This means that an overload on a rail will ipso-facto also happen on the other: for example, if a short happens between V+ and GND, the V+ line will see an overcurrent, but this overcurrent will be dumped into the V- line by the rail splitter.

This means that only one limiter is required if it is placed upstream of the rail splitter.
It will of course not be possible to indicate which rail is subjected to an overload without additional means.

If two limiters are placed downstream, they will be able to function individually and indicate which rail causes the problem if they have individual LED indicators