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vgeorge 8th January 2020 06:31 AM

I tried a few times with jlcpcb and got no luck too.
I will order some with the updated gerbers.

prasi 25th January 2020 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gtose (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/297921-jumas-easy-peasy-capacitance-multiplier-post6036182.html#post6036182)
Prasi, what about laying out another pair horizontally, separated with a v-score. The PCB price at JLC only goes up by $4 or so for 100x120mm and then you get double the boards and reach the minimum size for v-scoring.

Hello gtose,
Here is 2 side by side layout with v-scoring all around.

regards
Prasi

wowbagger 30th January 2020 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Johnson (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/297921-jumas-easy-peasy-capacitance-multiplier-post5573289.html#post5573289)
It's pretty instructive to calculate the output impedance (vs frequency) of the two alternatives. ESR and ESL of the Big Old Bohunker Capacitor Bank prevent it from delivering all of the goodness that an ideal perfect "university chalkboard capacitor" would give you, in theory. While the "Capacitance Multiplier" benefits tremendously from high bias Class-A downstream circuits, and from modern power transistors with high fT. Crank the algebra, or run the sim. It'll be fun.


I was curious how the output impedance of this popular CapMX (based on the schematic in #477) compared to the standard PSU used in FirstWatt designs.

Based on the Mark Johnson Happiness Threshold™, the CapMx does great at normal class A power amplifier bias levels (see first attached photo).

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Originally Posted by Mark Johnson (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-labs/307829-power-supply-impedance-class-amplifiers-post5107670.html#post5107670)

If class A output stage is push-pull, let X = 2 * output stage bias current (in amps)

Then I would be happy, personally, if my power supply's output impedance remained below Z ohms, for all frequencies from 10 Hz to 100 kHz. The number Z is calculated thus:
  • Z = 0.5 / X
Example 1: A class-A amplifier with a constant current source pullup in its output stage, runs at 3.5 amperes of bias. Then Z = 0.5 / 3.5 = 0.14 ohms

Example 2: A class-A amplifier with a push pull output stage, runs at 2.0 amperes of bias. Then Z = 0.5 / 4 = 0.12 ohms.

But of course, my preferences and "happiness threshold" might be different from yours.


Notably, the CapMx far outperforms the CRC below 100 Hz, where the CRC does not meet the Happiness Threshold. Adding massive amounts of capacitance only shifts the slope slightly to the left: 200mF gets about .12 Ohm at 10 Hz.

Adding another cap on the output of the CapMx seems to offer marginal improvement at higher frequencies, so long as the bias current is reasonable (see second attached photo).




Mark Johnson 30th January 2020 11:54 PM

Learn by doing. It's instructive and it's FUN!

e_fortier 31st January 2020 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by e_fortier (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/297921-jumas-easy-peasy-capacitance-multiplier-post6034284.html#post6034284)
Thanks everyone and Prasi of course for the PCB design.

I’ve had no problem w JLCPCB so I just ordered a small batch of 10.

BR
Eric

Well, I should be receiving my PCB within the next 2 weeks, they were ordered on Jan 6 so more than 3 weeks ago (way before the Chinese New Year rush) so it will be 5 weeks total...JLCPCB...never again !!!

PCBWAY is so much better and quicker, it’s a no brainer.

Thanks for the recommendation, at least I gave them a chance...

YMMV

Eric

EmeryBB 31st January 2020 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by e_fortier (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/297921-jumas-easy-peasy-capacitance-multiplier-post6065591.html#post6065591)
Well, I should be receiving my PCB within the next 2 weeks, they were ordered on Jan 6 so more than 3 weeks ago (way before the Chinese New Year rush) so it will be 5 weeks total...JLCPCB...never again !!!

PCBWAY is so much better and quicker, itís a no brainer.

Thanks for the recommendation, at least I gave them a chance...

YMMV

Eric

Hmmm..5 weeks? that's unusual, are you getting it through snail mail or DHL? in my experience JLCPCB is a better one among the bunch. I suspect it may due to the situation in Hong Kong? Most of the stuff coming out of mainland China still have to pass through Hong Kong.

e_fortier 1st February 2020 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EmeryBB (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/297921-jumas-easy-peasy-capacitance-multiplier-post6066602.html#post6066602)
Hmmm..5 weeks? that's unusual, are you getting it through snail mail or DHL? in my experience JLCPCB is a better one among the bunch. I suspect it may due to the situation in Hong Kong? Most of the stuff coming out of mainland China still have to pass through Hong Kong.

It was shipped on Jan.9 by registered air mail.

adrian311 5th March 2020 10:12 AM

Hi all - just waiting for my boards from JLCPCB - thanks Prasi. A few quick questions from others experience:
1 How critical are the electrolytic capacitor values? For example, I have a bunch of 2200uf that will fit directly instead of the 1000uf - any disadvantages?
2 Same for the 470uf - any downside to increasing it to say 1000uf?
3 Is there an "optimum" value for the cap that is being "multiplied" (currently one of the 1000uf).
I'm happy to build and test - but without suitable test gear or sim software, I'll be going by ear.
Thanks Adrian

BeardyWan 27th March 2020 10:06 PM

Sorry to lay on more questions...
If you use this CapX for a low line stage with a low draw of 50-200mA is there a better choice for the power transistor than a honking big TIP41/42?

prasi 28th March 2020 02:00 AM

Hello Wan,
there was a smd version which xrk used successfully for hpa's in which he used 2sa1837 i think.
regards
prasi

edit: Juma's Easy-Peasy Capacitance Multiplier

he used BD139/140... so works great.


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