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Old 15th June 2018, 09:25 AM   #31
cph2000 is offline cph2000  Denmark
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Since the advent of streaming services I stopped buying CDs and are now paying for the content using a service like Tidal, spotify or apple music. I struggle to see the purpose of roon in the age of streaming, but maybe that is just me.
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Old 19th July 2018, 02:42 AM   #32
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Hi

I am an old LMS user. I am also trying roon under trial period. I globally prefer LMS over Roon but that's not black and white.

Set up:
Dac lindeman musicbook
LMS 7.8 in a container in a Qnap ts253B
Roon Core in the nas, app from qnap store
Squeezebox Touch Logitech connected to the nas by coax
Roon playing files from the nas, usb to the dac

My LMS pro:

-free and open source 😁
-possibility to browse and play directly folders (and that's a huge pro for me!!)
-lots of additional plugins
-remote interface nice regardless the OS (while Roon remote is a lot better on IOS than Android.

Pro Roon
-can output music directly from the nas through usb to the dac (couldnt do it with miniserver)
-can play DSD
-lots of visual informations while browsing (ex looking at playlists, can see how many tracks and how long) and album or artists info

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Old 24th July 2018, 07:26 AM   #33
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Pro Roon
-can output music directly from the nas through usb to the dac (couldnt do it with miniserver)
-can play DSD
-lots of visual informations while browsing (ex looking at playlists, can see how many tracks and how long) and album or artists info
Just to comment "Pro Roon" above:

1. LMS can also output local music on the server/NAS. There's a local squeezelite plugin
2. LMS can play DSD native/DOP too
3. Yep. I'd agree that visual effects are not the strength of LMS.
We're talking audio though, aren't we.
And in the rare event of looking up artist/album related info I rather
google them.


After all. I still havn't seen a single argument that would turn me over towards Roon - even if it would be free of charge.


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Old 24th July 2018, 09:44 AM   #34
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Point #3 is also doable in LMS. But in an LMS way.
Also sticking to LMS.
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Old 24th July 2018, 10:08 AM   #35
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1. LMS can also output local music on the server/NAS. There's a local squeezelite plugin
2. LMS can play DSD native/DOP too
Yea, right. But in my case i am using a Logitech Squeezebox Touch.
And in Roon DSD is decoded as true DSD, isn't Squeezelite DoP?
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Old 24th July 2018, 11:39 AM   #36
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Tried. No. LMS remains!

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Old 24th July 2018, 12:14 PM   #37
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Here is a question for the LMS guys: If I want to do multi-room streaming and I want to do DSD upsampling in the living room but not the kitchen (the hardware doesn't support it) on top of room correction and later active crossover - what do I need to setup to make LMS work?
That's really the only thing left I want in order to do a trial run of LMS at home.
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Old 24th July 2018, 01:02 PM   #38
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Yea, right. But in my case i am using a Logitech Squeezebox Touch.
It wasn't me mentioning a NAS as streamer!??

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And in Roon DSD is decoded as true DSD, isn't Squeezelite DoP?
LMS can handle both. DoP and Native DSD.

DoP is actually also "true" DSD. The DSD data just gets encapsulated in PCM frames for transport/handling purposes. The DAC unwraps the DSD data again.

I describe the setup for LMS DSD/DoP for piCorePlayer on my blog.

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Look. The Roon folks just nicely wrap stuff that mostly can be found elsewhere free of charge.

LMS is the most flexible audio network solution around.

For special applications it might require a little tinkering from your side.

That's IMO one of the very few areas where Roon might have a slight advantage. You'll get some stuff served on a silver plate. Not many people will make use of special features though. However. They all will have to pay for those.

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Old 24th July 2018, 01:22 PM   #39
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Here is a question for the LMS guys: If I want to do multi-room streaming and I want to do DSD upsampling in the living room but not the kitchen (the hardware doesn't support it) on top of room correction and later active crossover - what do I need to setup to make LMS work? That's really the only thing left I want in order to do a trial run of LMS at home.
LMS allows to convert and route the traffic on a MAC address basis. Basically each client can have a different DSP running.

These DSP chains can have access to all kind of applications on the machine. flac, sox, ffmpeg, brutefir you name it. You can even make use of wrapper-scripts to run more complex DSP tasks - such as synchronous upsampling.

There's a config file called "custom-convert.conf" - that's where all the magic happens.

MultiChannel DSP for e.g. crossover DSPs is a different thing though. More complex. Usually that'd be done on the client. Basically you'd feed squeezelite a stereo (resampled) stream through LMS and then you'd pipe the stream from squeezelite into brutefir to apply the filters. (I've done all that in the past - but - you'd have to accept several compromises - not related to LMS! After a while I left all this room correction stuff and active crossover stuff alone)

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Old 25th July 2018, 11:16 AM   #40
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It wasn't me mentioning a NAS as streamer!??
my bad then, my LMS is setup in a NAS (via a container) and the player is a separated Logitech SB. Coax to amp
Roon however was also installed in the NAS and playing through NAS Usb output. usb to amp
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I describe the setup for LMS DSD/DoP for piCorePlayer on my blog.
man, your blog is quite amazing! thanks for sharing it, i will definitely study it
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