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Old 2nd April 2018, 01:39 AM   #141
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So following many many tests between Volumio, MoOde and finally Picoreplayer on Pi3 (with Luckit WaveIo or with Digione) Vs the Squeezebox Touch here is my very personal opinion:
- Volumio+Pi3+Luckit WaveIo: ok but not amazing and SBT definitely better.

- MoOde+Pi3+Luckit WaveIo: better than Volumio but SBT still better.

- PCP+Pi3+Luckit WaveIo: better than MoOde but SBT still better.

- PCP+Pi3+Digione: Slightly better than SBT: Clearer sound, bass more tight

So I'm keeping this last setup in place, connected to my amp via a Chord Qute Ex DAC.
Interesting what you have found there.

I also have a Chord Qute EX Dac, I run that plugged in to a Daphile box (Fanless J1900 System), I've had LOTS of USB based DACs, from home built to off the shelf and just fell in love with the Qute EX so I have just left it on the main HiFI.

The rest of the house I have Pi's running PiCorePlayer... One of those Pi's has a JustBoom Amp Zero with Q2020i's, this is the bedroom Player, it sounds incredible for what that set up cost.

Now, I've run a Squeezebox system over 10 years. I've had The SB3, the Duet, Booms and the SB Touch. And then moved to a USB Dac for the main player on the Touch, then Vortexbox and now Daphile.

Everything has always sounded great.

I was thinking the other day, surely I'm missing out. I'm still set in my ways using this old "Squeezebox SBS" Legacy ecosystem.

And thought i'd investigate Volumio, Moode, Rune etc.

But nothing seemed to work the way the Squeezebox Ecosystem does, I use SqueezeCtrl on my android devices and again it just works, I can send music from the living room to the bedroom when I go to bed and love the way the multiroom setup works.

So maybe I don't need to try messing around with this other Distributions after reading what you put above.
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Old 2nd April 2018, 02:22 AM   #142
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So following many many tests between Volumio, MoOde and finally Picoreplayer on Pi3 (with Luckit WaveIo or with Digione) Vs the Squeezebox Touch here is my very personal opinion:
- Volumio+Pi3+Luckit WaveIo: ok but not amazing and SBT definitely better.

- MoOde+Pi3+Luckit WaveIo: better than Volumio but SBT still better.

- PCP+Pi3+Luckit WaveIo: better than MoOde but SBT still better.

- PCP+Pi3+Digione: Slightly better than SBT: Clearer sound, bass more tight

So I'm keeping this last setup in place, connected to my amp via a Chord Qute Ex DAC.
Itís like comparing apples and cheese - you say the PCP+ Digione is better than the SBT and thatís the only one you tested thatís i2s - the others are USB attached.

Perhaps if you tested all three apps with the Allo Digione, direct to your amp and bypassing the Chord, they would have all surpassed the SBT?

And Iím confused - why have a DAC at all, if you are connecting via the USB feed to the Chord?

Your Chord DAC could pay for ten Pi and I2S DACís, and the SBT is about 2.5x the cost of a Pi and the Allo unit, just to put things in perspective.

You have compared hobbyist kit at a net cost of less than £100, with over £1200 worth of gear and you prefer your £1200 setup.

I suspect if Iíd spent £1200 on a DAC and streaming box I would prefer it over something I knocked up on the bench for £100
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Old 2nd April 2018, 02:26 AM   #143
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Interesting what you have found there.

I also have a Chord Qute EX Dac, I run that plugged in to a Daphile box (Fanless J1900 System), I've had LOTS of USB based DACs, from home built to off the shelf and just fell in love with the Qute EX so I have just left it on the main HiFI.

The rest of the house I have Pi's running PiCorePlayer... One of those Pi's has a JustBoom Amp Zero with Q2020i's, this is the bedroom Player, it sounds incredible for what that set up cost.

Now, I've run a Squeezebox system over 10 years. I've had The SB3, the Duet, Booms and the SB Touch. And then moved to a USB Dac for the main player on the Touch, then Vortexbox and now Daphile.

Everything has always sounded great.

I was thinking the other day, surely I'm missing out. I'm still set in my ways using this old "Squeezebox SBS" Legacy ecosystem.

And thought i'd investigate Volumio, Moode, Rune etc.

But nothing seemed to work the way the Squeezebox Ecosystem does, I use SqueezeCtrl on my android devices and again it just works, I can send music from the living room to the bedroom when I go to bed and love the way the multiroom setup works.

So maybe I don't need to try messing around with this other Distributions after reading what you put above.
I too have a bunch of devices in different rooms and can’t understand the comment that ‘nothing seemed to work the way the Squeezebox Ecosystem does’. I open the web page, press play. Doesn’t get much more simple than that.

Plus, all of the various Pi and DAC’s can be repurposed, upgraded, fiddled with, tuned, without being beholden to a manufacturer that may have gone on to a different range of equipment.

The name of the site may give it away - it’s DIY audio, after all

Congratulations on the Chord - nice bit of kit for the money.
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Old 2nd April 2018, 02:28 AM   #144
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I too have a bunch of devices in different rooms and canít understand the comment that Ďnothing seemed to work the way the Squeezebox Ecosystem doesí. I open the web page, press play. Doesnít get much more simple than that.

Plus, all of the various Pi and DACís can be repurposed, upgraded, fiddled with, tuned, without being beholden to a manufacturer that may have gone on to a different range of equipment.

The name of the site may give it away - itís DIY audio, after all
I like using an app, I don't want to open a webpage.
Is there an app for these distros? Is there a Send to a different room option and can I sync multiple players as well across zones?

I could not find the answers to this, maybe you can help me
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Old 2nd April 2018, 02:41 AM   #145
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Moode, (I’m not sure about the others) runs Squeezelite, so you can use the squeeze app you like with its multi-room functions the same as a squeeze box. Effectively turn a Pi into a Squeezebox. GitHub - ralph-irving/squeezelite: Lightweight headless squeezebox client emulator

As to an app vs a web page, it’s not really that much different - if you save the Volumio/Moode/PCP web page to the main screen on your phone or tablet using android or iOS ‘save to desktop’, it behaves like an app.

I don’t have a preference to whether the data I am seeing is compiled as an app or pushed/pulled from a web server, it’s more about the functionality.

I predominately use Apple hardware for my portable and PCs and on the Mac and MacBook, can sync multi room. I did hear some noise about being able to do it on the newer iPad/iPhone, too, but haven’t tried.

Yes, you can send to a different room - you don’t have to even be in the house

Just tried the iPad Pro - no you can’t natively multiroom from the portable devices - although that probably just needs someone to code something for MPD to do that.

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Old 2nd April 2018, 02:46 AM   #146
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Moode, (I’m not sure about the others) runs Squeezelite, so you can use the squeeze app you like with its multi-room functions the same as a squeeze box. Effectively turn a Pi into a Squeezebox. GitHub - ralph-irving/squeezelite: Lightweight headless squeezebox client emulator

As to an app vs a web page, it’s not really that much different - if you save the Volumio/Moode/PCP web page to the main screen on your phone or tablet using android or iOS ‘save to desktop’, it behaves like an app.

I don’t have a preference to whether the data I am seeing is compiled as an app or pushed/pulled from a web server, it’s more about the functionality.

I predominately use Apple hardware for my portable and PCs and on the Mac and MacBook, can sync multi room. I did hear some noise about being able to do it on the newer iPad/iPhone, too, but haven’t tried.

Just did, no you can’t from the portable devices.
Thank you for your reply, I have 2 Spare Pi 3's and a few Zero's kicking around that I will mess around with over the next few weeks, Im going to order a ES9038 board to play around with so looking at all the audio distros for the Pi, so will run some of these up. Which OS do you use personally? (There are some older Pi Model B's and a Pi 2 here but rather mess with the others)

Yes I run Home Assistant here and have the webpage saved as an icon on the android device, works quite well to be fair.

There are other cool things about the app, you can download music from my server straight to the phone or any other device that runs it. Also it mutes all my players when the phone rings.

I did not know these had Squeezelite integration too, that's quite helpful.
I bought a few Noritake Itron Graphic VFD's from a Ham rally last week, so plan on using them to build a player/dac.
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Old 2nd April 2018, 02:48 AM   #147
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There’s a lot of info on slim forums - like this: Real Squeezeboxes vs alternatives like Squeezelite?

I use Moode, mostly, and since moving countries a few months ago haven’t set up multiroom. And I’ve never been a squeeze user.

I run a central NAS server as a music source and control the unit I want to hear directly via it’s interface.

If I was going the squeeze route, I would add the squeeze server to the NAS, as my computers are up and down quite a bit.

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Moode, (Iím not sure about the others) runs Squeezelite, so you can use the squeeze app you like with its multi-room functions the same as a squeeze box. Effectively turn a Pi into a Squeezebox. GitHub - ralph-irving/squeezelite: Lightweight headless squeezebox client emulator
Ralph is a member of the piCorePlayer team and squeezelite is probably the most vital component of pCP.

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As to an app vs a web page, itís not really that much different - if you save the Volumio/Moode/PCP web page to the main screen on your phone or tablet using android or iOS Ďsave to desktopí, it behaves like an app.
piCorePlayer's web interface is really only intended for the initial setup of a headless player (RPi). Control of the payers is done via 1) access to the server's web interface (LMS), 2) one of the many apps available for smart devices, 3) a local screen/monitor/touch screen using jivelite or 4) IR remote control.

There is a very basic web control in pCP but I only included it because I use it for "my" convenience while developing pCP. I won't recommend it as a useful day to day tool.

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I donít have a preference to whether the data I am seeing is compiled as an app or pushed/pulled from a web server, itís more about the functionality.

I predominately use Apple hardware for my portable and PCs and on the Mac and MacBook, can sync multi room. I did hear some noise about being able to do it on the newer iPad/iPhone, too, but havenít tried.

Yes, you can send to a different room - you donít have to even be in the house

Just tried the iPad Pro - no you canít natively multiroom from the portable devices - although that probably just needs someone to code something for MPD to do that.
I use iPeng on my iDevices to control my pCPs or Squeezeboxes. iPeng can also be player. Luckily, Logitech pretty much open sourced their software so you don't need to rely on Logitech's (unavailable) hardware.

I think we are lucky to have so many great (mostly free) options!

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Thanks Greg. I’m going to have to give PCP/ SL a go!
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Thanks Greg. Iím going to have to give PCP/ SL a go!
It's a great bit of software, really nicely done.

My first "alternative" Squeezebox I made out of hacking some Pogoplugs, quite some time ago, found the UART and put some serial ports on them all, then installed Linux and the Squeezelite, it worked fairly well but took time to install and configure everything.

Then the Pi came out and it was a bit of a let down audio wise, USB dacs didn't at first play nicely and I carried on with my Pogoplugs.

Then PiCorePlayer came out and changed everything for me. Not used anything else since.

I've had HD44780 & I2C screens running on it, IR remotes, all sorts of things. It's incredibly stable and love the way it runs from ram.
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