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Old 8th June 2019, 10:13 PM   #1
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That would be totally up to Nelson to decide if at all. Still a current commercial product as offered by First Watt I believe.
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When new FW amp comes out we will probably let it go.

But there are unofficial schematics for it on this site.
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What would be the down side to selling to both sales channels (pre-built and dyi market) at the same time? It seems to me that you have two distinct customers: (1) The audiophile with money and no technical skills, who would only buy the pre-built unit and (2) The engineer, who wants the challenge of making it himself and is too cheap/poor to ever buy off the shelf. I can't see either customer cannibalizing sales from the other. My $0.02 worth.
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What would be the down side to selling to both sales channels (pre-built and dyi market) at the same time? It seems to me that you have two distinct customers: (1) The audiophile with money and no technical skills, who would only buy the pre-built unit and (2) The engineer, who wants the challenge of making it himself and is too cheap/poor to ever buy off the shelf. I can't see either customer cannibalizing sales from the other. My $0.02 worth.
Downside is people/companies would build clones for commercial purposes which would steal sales while the F7 is still available. Also, the divide is not as clean as you claim. I am not an engineer or technical person by any stretch of the imagination but I know how to solder, read a schematic, and therefore build a kit if the PCB is available. I have owned Pass Labs commercial products and currently own multiple commercial tube amps that sell for more than the FW commercial amps even though I have built 3 FW clones. I have built my own FW amps because (1) it is an enjoyable pass time and (2) allows me to try different amps that I would probably not try if I had to pay the retail price.
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Old 9th June 2019, 09:28 PM   #9
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Nelson,

Just curious if FW has ever considered selling complete commercial kits either for currently available models or even models you have designed but decided to not offer commercially for one reason or another.
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Downside is people/companies would build clones for commercial purposes which would steal sales while the F7 is still available. Also, the divide is not as clean as you claim. I am not an engineer or technical person by any stretch of the imagination but I know how to solder, read a schematic, and therefore build a kit if the PCB is available. I have owned Pass Labs commercial products and currently own multiple commercial tube amps that sell for more than the FW commercial amps even though I have built 3 FW clones. I have built my own FW amps because (1) it is an enjoyable pass time and (2) allows me to try different amps that I would probably not try if I had to pay the retail price.
First, I think you overestimate the size of the Firstwatt market, it's not Apple and not likely on anyone's radar. Also, If I wanted to steal sales, I would buy a commercial unit and have it reverse engineered in an afternoon. I am just saying that they are missing out on cash flow from DIY'ers by waiting to release.

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