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Old 20th October 2020, 02:43 PM   #5291
morrism is offline morrism  United States
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I've done some work to help with the microphonics issue. I lined the chassis with Noico 80 mat, and used rubber standoffs to mount the PCB. The mat seems very effective.
https://www.amazon.com/Noico-Deadeni...6419011&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/iFlight-Anti-...3204558&sr=8-2
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Old 20th October 2020, 02:49 PM   #5292
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There may be someone in NZ or Australia who sells this stuff. It's pretty popular with professional audio people. The cables I mentioned, e.g., are listed as microphone cables; they make snake cables; etc. So you might check out places like that.
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Old 20th October 2020, 05:58 PM   #5293
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I thought I was done with the excellent sounding B1 Korg. However, Mark Johnson recently ę released Ľ an interesting low cost / easy to assemble general purpose SMPS filter. He outlined this could be suited for the B1 Korg PS. More here

PO89ZB , an inline DC filter for SMPS wall warts . Preamps, HPA, Korg NuTube, etc


Given Markís reputation and excellent projects, I gave it (of course) a try. In fact several tries as I built 2 of them.
Just to discard one variable, in all my various tests both filters I built sounded identical and this consistency is a credit to its design as that applied with different SMPS for different units.

My B1 Korg is a bit special as it has a low ripple quality SMPS, already an excellent filtering courtesy of M. Pass and on top the PS caps have been doubled in capacity to enhence further the original filtering with some further minor positive effect.

I didnít expect this filter to make any improvement here, given the unit sounds already excellent to me and different PS (such as linear regulated etc.) brought a slightly different caracter (tad more bass etc.) but it was always a trade off and a matter of taste - at the end I prefered to stick to the original PS.

It is not easy to carry out comparisons with the B1 Korg. That is because a) you need it to stabilise, you canít just switch in on and off / listen on the fly, so you need a lot of listening time and effort, but mainly because b) it is so addictive that it is very difficult to concentrate on listening impressions without being carrying away ! J

However, for me the filter worked, althoughÖ I really didnít expect it to work at all ! Basicaly the same as when applied to a cheap chinese unit, but with a much lower amplitude, say 60% of the benefits (say +2 in my scale). It gets harder to find it out, requires careful listening, but the main outstanding figures are IMHO :
- improved drive / punch in the lower bass (and that canít be in that case just the filterís cap increase, something is happening here), very nice flesh and speed
- better resolution overall, more easy to pick in the higher frequencies (those finding this unit somewhat agressive in the treble, something I canít back up at all for myself, should try this filter as it makes the treble more precise and yet more natural)
- a tad wider soundstage and overall better register integration, although the B1 Korg didnít really need any improvement on that and it is was marginal, but still not a negative of course

At the end the most noticeable things are the bass drive and refined treble. But thatís with careful listenings and all IMHO. In terms of gain, I would say the magnitude is similar/slightly more to the PS capacity doubling I did, so overall a small step, on the verge of what is noticeable, letís be realistic. We arenít transforming the unit here, say the cherry on the cake, but who doesnít like an extra J

The small gain in this application is probably due to the power supply being well designed already (of course, Papa did it !), not a big stepÖ but on the other hand it doesnít cost a leg and it manages to enhence a device I thought already close to perfection and consistency, so every increase from there is already incredible. And the gains are somewhere the gains various PS could bring without their trade-offs, so the better.

What about me now ? Well, I will integrate this filter to the B1 Korg permanently and given its low cost and ease of built I can only think that it would be benefical to most B1 Korg owners aswell, especialy those that are not using an extra low ripple with extra caps PS : I can only think that the improvements then are going to be greater while this filter can easily be added as an external device and requires no changes / desoldering on the B1 Korg ! Easy job, easy to try, why shouldnít you ? Of course, and as you can read on its dedicated thread, it does perform even better on normal designs using an SMPS. Thanks Mark, thanks Papa, thanks Konst !

Enjoy music

Claude


PS : I like my B1 Korg with negative H2 and less harmonics / spice than suggested as starting point in Papaís paper. Just as a side note, the filter didnít noticeably affect the bias voltage of the B1 Korg, so the effects are not due to bias changes (as this affects the sound)Ö and are anyway very different from what a small bias change would bring around my chosen bias.
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Old 20th October 2020, 06:45 PM   #5294
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Default Got there first

Nice ClaudeG, I was about to post the same thing here. These things are great and cost just a few bucks to stuff.

If anyone is interested, I have ordered a batch of these and will have around 15 boards available which I am happy giving people for an optional donation for postage of $2/$3 (you can have them free, hence optional, but if you want to contribute that is cool to).

If there is lots of demand I am happy reordering as many as are required)

Please PM me, I can send these out after the election (on an election project), when I get some time.

Below is a pic of the before and after filter "DC" on my Korg B1
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Old 20th October 2020, 07:20 PM   #5295
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How do folks mount the rubber anti-vibration standoffs to the floor of the case?
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Old 20th October 2020, 08:43 PM   #5296
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Use the 3mm screws that come with the kit.
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Old Yesterday, 03:33 PM   #5297
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Hello dear Diy community,
started with B1 Korg.
I finished Pearl Two, B1, F5 a couple of years ago, I would like "a little hotter".
And I notice that PCB from Diyaudio Store and Schematic from Papa are slightly different.
Haoffe it is not bad.
If this was a topic I would like a link for.
Thank you.
By the way, J113 from Faichild and ON Semiconduktor also have different topologies.Attachment 880899


hello everyone, can someone explain my question to me? I can already see a difference there. And did someone have increased cathode voltage 6.7V despite all remaining exactly right? Thank you.
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Old Yesterday, 09:55 PM   #5298
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Default No Microphonics

I recently completed the build of a B1 Korg using the full kit and it's sounding great with an M2x. I'm a bit puzzled by the lack microphonics of the Nutube though.

After getting it to a working state I connected it in my system and could not produce any ringing whatsoever. The top of the case is not even attached yet. Neither at high volume levels nor by rapping on the case. I did use the iFlight rubber standoffs but that is the only mitigation measure so far. The Nutube is cantilevered in air supported by the pins. I did NOT provide any alternate means of grounding the PC board since the rubber standoffs insulate it. It's just grounded via the power connection.

Is this just a product of my very inefficient speakers (83 dB)? Or just lucky with this Nutube being insensitive to microphonics? I had bought some blu tack putty to dampen vibrations but have not used it yet. Maybe the iFlight standoffs are just very effective.

Should I just close it up and use as it is now or put some blu tack below the Nutube?
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