Go Back   Home > Forums > >
Home Forums Rules Articles diyAudio Store Blogs Gallery Wiki Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Parts Where to get, and how to make the best bits. PCB's, caps, transformers, etc.

Dyson Audio Facemelters (cables) :)
Dyson Audio Facemelters (cables) :)
Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12th July 2018, 04:00 PM   #21
mchambin is offline mchambin  France
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by starkeyg View Post
Only problem is when they spout stuff trying to get others to jump on board spending far more than what is required. Some have to justify their own habits or feel threatened. Just the way it is.
That is the problem.
__________________
Transistor junction temperature is not transistor case temperature.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12th July 2018, 05:22 PM   #22
kevinahcc20 is online now kevinahcc20  United States
diyAudio Member
 
kevinahcc20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Farmington Hills, MI USA
This is a very old philosophical divide, mysticism vs. objectivism, faith vs. evidence, belief vs. skepticism. In the field of electricity/electronics objectivism has delivered incredible progress that our ancestors might condemn as witchery, including the devices and network over which we discuss these matters. That we communicate globally and instantaneously, measure extra-solar planets, study the gravitiational waves from blackhole collisions, and develop and operate the Large Hadron Collider suggests that our technological competence at 1m power cables is comprehensive. Yet mysticsm lives.
__________________
Kevin(ahcc20)...I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!
  Reply With Quote
Old 12th July 2018, 09:08 PM   #23
analog_sa is offline analog_sa  Europe
diyAudio Member
 
analog_sa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Cascais
Dyson Audio Facemelters (cables) :)
These cables appear dirt cheap for what they are. Not sure at all about their silver but the ones with OCC wire cannot possibly sound bad. Over the years i have gradually moved to OCC for interconnects, speaker an power cables. Mostly diy using Neotech/Furutech wire.

Still, cable is such a personal and system dependent choice that is perhaps better to choose something with a money back trial period. Yes, i know, not so easy in EU.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12th July 2018, 10:26 PM   #24
mchambin is offline mchambin  France
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Speaker wire ( or car battery jumper cables )

The resistivity of silver is so close to copper, that a tiny increase in diameter will give the same resistance. To pay for copper for this application is a waste of money..

Oxygene free copper is of the same kind versus regular electric copper wires. Resistivity, again tells it all.

Of course snake oil vendors and their gullible folowers will imagine there is something else. Well, there is none relevant to audio cables.
A joke I like is multistand copper wires are troublesome because of electricity ( electrons ? ) jumping from strands to others. The same joke leads to mono cristal copper wires ( copper beyond oxygene free ) with electricity jumping from cristals to others.

It is fun to read, the pseudo science mumbo jumbo that revals this fake technology. With some tribute to the imagination of the authors.
__________________
Transistor junction temperature is not transistor case temperature.
  Reply With Quote
Old 13th July 2018, 06:41 AM   #25
Vortex is offline Vortex  Hungary
diyAudio Member
 
Vortex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Budapest, Hungary, Europe
Send a message via ICQ to Vortex Dyson Audio Facemelters (cables) :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by spaceistheplace View Post
Of course you can. Your aesthetic preferences are not a problem. I am a believer in that you should do what makes you happy... hopefully it’s also safe and designed competently.....
.
.
.
Not sure you invested the right amount of time & effort into your comment but when it comes to me spreading false info about a Litz wire (especially under XLR line level circumstances) I categorically refuse your statement.

Cardas cables (and some other brands) are Litz and are they doing the job, right ? Yes. So why is it then a false info and especially how the hell am I spreading this in a DIY forum when the mentioning of Litz was actually related to the original Facemelters discussed here ? How the hell do I spread ANY kind of wrong information about Litz where I only stated they're good (in the context of line level XLR application!) withouth even saying a single more word about it's principle? Everything else below and above it might be your fantasy instead me saying anything more about a litz wire if it should be applied or not in an audio signal level cable. "Should"-s are another discussion, not going into this what should and what shouldn't be applied in electronics.


It was only meant they don't add any artifacts to the signal nor they make it worse, good is good if well designed but this also applies for everything actually. Bad design bad sound, good design good sound.

"Good" is not equal to "disfunctioning", "good" is not equal to "excellent", "good" is not equal to "amazing" - it's just good within a range of acceptable signal transfer characteristics which is suitable for line level audio transmission from A to B within whatever.. x meters in good quality - which term referred to here are ALL subjective but I didn't came here to discuss about the meaning of "good" and the absolute position of it on the quality scale.

Good is either measured or not but is a function of taste as well, at least in the analog world. Actually in digital too as long as we're not using error correction but this is another topic.

"Good" is simply good, where in this case any kind of properly designed Litz XLR cable is a "good", just like the cheapest, built-to-specs normal XLR from the nearby hi-fi store, which is also a "good". Some people don't see colors, for them it's "good". Some see colors, for them one cable might be 0.7x "good", others 1.2x"good" but rounded they're still all scattered around "good".

So when I say Litz is good, it's like saying copper is good. Or silver is good. Or iron is good ('til rust kicks in). Aren't they ? Of course they are all good, regardless of being different things now (material and cable design). There're better ones, worse ones, but you know, good is good.

****, I'm explaining the meaning of good. Omg.


The question relating to the Facemelters was if their fancy design - including transparency, lack of shields etc. (and allow me to call them fancy while for others they might be crap but I don't comment others' taste) does make signal transfer weaker compared to a cheap-but-good hi-fi XLR or not. As simple as that but you know I've never ever thought we're going into such kind of discussion about religion and taste and all of the incomprehensible things.

Please... don't mix things and don't try to blame ppl (me) here for spreading ******** when they don't.

And of course I have absolutely nothing to do with Cardas or any other brands here, needless to explain (I hope so), before ANY comments on this arise (me being a troll, or an undercover agent of ANY cable manufacturer), lol.

Maybe I should change my signature and meanwhile get into a SECRET contract with George Cardas like DIIING, just fooled +1 follower on DIY Audio Forums with our Litz ********, heyyy dude, gimme 1 more grand..

Uhh. Enough.

Haaaave a nice Fridaaaaaaaaaaay...
__________________
IT guy with a broad taste of music: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16

Last edited by Vortex; 13th July 2018 at 06:45 AM. Reason: typo *fck*
  Reply With Quote
Old 13th July 2018, 09:37 AM   #26
mchambin is offline mchambin  France
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Litz wire makes sense at RF to cope for skin effect.
There is no skin effect at audio frequencies.
__________________
Transistor junction temperature is not transistor case temperature.
  Reply With Quote
Old 13th July 2018, 10:17 AM   #27
DF96 is offline DF96  England
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinahcc20
faith vs. evidence
False dichotomy. Perhaps you meant to say faith vs. proof?

Faith (of any type) always has to be based on evidence (of some type - although it may be disputed by 'non-believers'). However, this evidence falls short of proof, because once proof has been established there is no need for faith.

When I drive my car I do so because I have faith that it will get me safely to my destination. I do not have proof; indeed I realise that sometimes it may fail - but I do have evidence (e.g. past experience) that my faith is reasonable. Without faith I could not drive, since I have no proof. If I had proof I would not need faith.
  Reply With Quote
Old 13th July 2018, 12:04 PM   #28
mchambin is offline mchambin  France
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
DF96, I understand your point is: What is the opposite of "faith" ?
I think it is "science".
Faith is believing in something you cannot prove to be false.
Science is believing in theories until proven wrong.
Just my POW.
__________________
Transistor junction temperature is not transistor case temperature.
  Reply With Quote
Old 13th July 2018, 02:46 PM   #29
DF96 is offline DF96  England
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
As faith is believing something in the light of evidence, I guess the opposite would be either be believing something despite evidence to the contrary or disbelieving something in spite of evidence for it.

I don't want to get into a discussion which would be strictly OT for this forum, but I often see on here a naive dismissive equation which is essentially faith=ignorance - which merely shows that the person expressing this view is ignorant of what faith actually means. A slightly modified version of this is 'faith is the opposite of science', which is itself a faith position because there can be no proof that science is all there is.

Religion is off-topic for this forum; so should irreligion be. I will say no more.
  Reply With Quote
Old 13th July 2018, 04:05 PM   #30
kevinahcc20 is online now kevinahcc20  United States
diyAudio Member
 
kevinahcc20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Farmington Hills, MI USA
So as not to run afould of the rules just check the Oxford Dictionary...definition #2 is the context I was using.
__________________
Kevin(ahcc20)...I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Dyson Audio Facemelters (cables) :)Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dyson 'ring' fans; how do they work? cyclecamper Solid State 5 10th July 2012 01:54 AM
Cleaning Records with a Dyson Airblade nathanjh13 Everything Else 9 12th December 2011 11:22 PM
Old power cables make good audio cables? paean Parts 9 2nd November 2010 09:21 AM
NAGYS AUDIO Best Audio Cables in the World!!! Guaranteed!!! NagysAudio Vendor's Bazaar 0 25th August 2010 04:17 AM
Audio art 240.4xe cables drumheadz Car Audio 2 10th May 2008 08:00 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 10:23 PM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Resources saved on this page: MySQL 15.00%
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright ©1999-2018 diyAudio
Wiki