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Old 15th September 2020, 11:09 PM   #81
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Interesting. I can't imagine using compression for this reason only because as soon as I use it I feel the sound being compressed basically. But again this is probably because I'm working on music that is already compressed and limited, so I feel this would apply a bit more to the mixing stage, right?
All of the compression references have been to the Dua Lipa clip.
IMHO there's multi layered Electronic Drums that have also been EQed boosting the 50-100 Hz region - if you want a more realistic kick drum sound, attenuate the 50-100 Hz band/boost < 50 Hz.

Here's an example with good 40 Hz EDM of multi layered drums (10 of, according to the Producer).

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Old 15th September 2020, 11:13 PM   #82
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Oh but again to clarify, I'm not producing & I'm not mixing.

What I'm doing is taking existing music and attempting to "remaster" it with my own style basically.

I'm only working with finished mastered audio files, which I feel have these imbalances I'm trying to "fix".
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Old 15th September 2020, 11:27 PM   #83
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In comparison, the music I'm trying to remaster is all over the place in the low end, bouncing off and building up. And they also tend to sound muffled, like they don't totally breathe and there's this sense like it's a bit "behind the speaker", not truly reaching out and speaking to you intimately.
Ah, the nub of the problem!

It's probably midbass in the 150 Hz region - have you tried notching this region out with EQ?

That would be a start in identifying the frequency band it lies in, as you're clearly happy with the 50-100 Hz waveshape of the Dua Lipa clip.
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Old 15th September 2020, 11:37 PM   #84
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Any idea whether the same processing exists in a plugin?
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Edit......link says access denied but it works for me? Anyways if it doesn’t work the aphex plug in is available @ sweetwater.

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Old 16th September 2020, 12:18 AM   #85
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Click the image to open in full size.ground stack


Click the image to open in full size.flying pa and yes there is a difference in scale



then there's also
Click the image to open in full size.here flying and ground stacks are combined, all are different in what they deliver.
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Old 16th September 2020, 12:30 AM   #86
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something just occurred to me have you looked into "track thickening techniques" but in this case you would be using it on a master to replicate your "PA sound"?


even a basic recording package like Soundforge would allow you to do that.
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Old 16th September 2020, 01:27 AM   #87
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Edit......link says access denied but it works for me?
Seems OK, some sites are fussy about how they're linked to.

You can try selecting plain text before you click on the link button, when in the post editor. Your link will then show as the text you typed and selected.
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Old 16th September 2020, 06:33 AM   #88
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Thanks megamond. Any reason for this particular compressor?

Because when Mark demonstrates it with music and compares with the original at around 10m30s I feel the same pressure of the compression as with any other compressor...
It's multiband adjustable, but as I said, I find the Drum Kit preset perfect for toning up the drums on "thin" old vinyl tracks.

In the sample music clip, I heard a marked difference with Mark's compressor settings - less boominess (w/ dual x 6" BR sub cab: -3dB c. 31 Hz, 200W RMS continuous/8 ohms) AND you can hear a pronounced midrange "slap" of the drum head.
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Old 17th September 2020, 07:24 PM   #89
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Ah, the nub of the problem!

It's probably midbass in the 150 Hz region - have you tried notching this region out with EQ?

That would be a start in identifying the frequency band it lies in, as you're clearly happy with the 50-100 Hz waveshape of the Dua Lipa clip.
Hey megamond

Yes, I did find that in many cases this muffled aspect was around 200hz, but get into the trouble of removing too much of the musical content in order to fix it. This would be much easier to solve if I had access to the mix with separate tracks. I'm also trying to find which plugin corrects this bloatedness without smearing transients and removing too much or generating this pressure I feel with most eqs...

Still, it's one of the aspects, the other main one being issues below 60hz.

I'm experimenting now with dereverberation, to try and get more of the direct sound

It's a combination of a lot of things

Thanks for the help!
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Edit......link says access denied but it works for me? Anyways if it doesn’t work the aphex plug in is available @ sweetwater.
Thanks mountainman bob
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